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12-27-2013, 11:48 AM
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Ah, I misunderstood this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devyani...agade_incident
It's probably the servant who was the untouchable, my apologies. The strip search was conducted by a female officer.
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12-27-2013, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeke
It's standard intake .....
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Is that from experience Zeke?
Pete
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12-27-2013, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob_in_OKC
What I wondered about was - Was that strip search perhaps caused by, or at least influenced by, the fact that she's an attractive woman?
Aside from that - It appears to be a situation where US officials should have taken this up through diplomatic channels.
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Strip search is standard procedure for New Yorkers.
Make sure you do not have drugs or instruments to inflict injury to others.
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12-27-2013, 12:19 PM
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So looking at the BBC site:
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"I think the most important, immediate concern is to ensure that no further indignity is inflicted upon the young officer. And we are taking steps to ensure legally whatever is possible that we implement that immediately," Mr Khursheed told parliament.
"In terms of giving a strong, unambiguous, direct message to the United States of America: whatever I believe we were supposed to do, we did immediately," he added.
On Tuesday, India ordered a series of reprisals against the US.
Security barricades around the US embassy in Delhi were removed and a visiting US delegation was snubbed.
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Diplomatic tit for tat then, no surprises there.
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Law enforcement authorities in New York say Ms Khobragade "allegedly caused a materially false and fraudulent document to be presented, and materially false and fraudulent statements to be made, to the US Department of State in support of a visa application for an Indian national employed as a babysitter and housekeeper at her home in New York".
If found guilty, she faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements.
Ms Khobragade will challenge her arrest on grounds of diplomatic immunity, her lawyer said.
The US state department said that Ms Khobragade did not have full diplomatic immunity.
It said under the UN's Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, she is immune from arrest only for crimes committed in connection with her work.
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Hmm, the Megster fired her illegal Mexican maid just because she was running for Gov. and the Goppers loved her for it.
I wonder what garbage Barbie and Ken has been spewing on Fox News. (not really)
Carl
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-25426411
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12-27-2013, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by piece-itpete
Is that from experience Zeke?
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Personally and professionally.
Sadly, men doing offender intake only get to search other men, though.
Yuck.
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12-27-2013, 12:22 PM
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LOL! I have some experience too
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12-27-2013, 01:32 PM
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This is an example of the "elite class" expecting preferential treatment that often goes on in India. Mostly politicians and senior government officials get the VIP treatment. Other dignitaries can usually bribe and get it.
From what I understand, this lady has limited diplomatic immunity but not against employment laws in the US. She is alleged to be underpaying her domestic servant (nanny?) and the employee has lodged a complaint.
Behavior of the Indian government despicable, especially removal of concrete barriers protecting the US embassies. It is also very typical of the politicians who are mostly corrupt and incompetent and actions like this keeps them relevant. I was turned off by this story from the very beginning since what happened upon her arrest is routine in New York and no one is immune or should be from the law. US is not India and they should know and respect it.
Best difference between India and the US I've read is this, and I am paraphrasing. Both US and India are democracies with laws. In the US laws to the most part laws are enforced and observed. In India laws are seldom enforced and if caught, one can easily bribe one's way out most of the time or the case is permanently shelved due to backlogs. Of course, one needs connections which is also easily bought. I have often termed India as a functioning anarchy. For instance, vehicles routinely go the wrong way on limited access highways, yet now one is ever stopped. Rules of the road is a joke.
In this instance simply put, this lady has no diplomatic immunity against the allegations, strip searching is mandatory in NY, it was conducted professionally withing the guidelines. she should have dealt with it like a diplomatic professional instead of whining as if her privileges extended to the US. Sec. Kerry should not even apologized to the Indian govt. for the strip search and all it did was make matters worse by helping to reinforce among the Indians that the strip search was somehow a mistake on our part.
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12-27-2013, 01:46 PM
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In all of this I find the Indian reaction by removing the concrete barriers...EVIL.
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12-27-2013, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
I want to strip search her too. And it has nothing to do with her Visa status.
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Something you an I can agree on....
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12-27-2013, 02:08 PM
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There is a lot more to it than the concrete barriers that is less visible.
Here are some of the other retaliatory reactions to what was a legal action taken by the NY police, which India seems incapable or unwilling to understand, since as a country they do not respect law and order.
http://nypost.com/2013/12/17/india-d...lomats-arrest/
As I said, it's anarchy in practice and democracy in name. Indian electorate has no clue as to who, what and why they vote and I cringe every time India is referred to as the largest democracy.
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