The Affordable Care Act

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JBS...

NEED? What you need is healthcare and that we all have.

People will die with or without insurance.

And 10 to 1 most millennials would take the LCD over insurance.

Since they'll be dinged at $95 the first time, I suspect you're right but next year it'll be $600 - $700 and that's when they'll get on the Obama train. Toot sweet.

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Since they'll be dinged at $95 the first time, I suspect you're right but next year it'll be $600 - $700 and that's when they'll get on the Obama train. Toot sweet.

By then the whole thing will be upside down and in a death spiral.

BTW, it's $95 for 2014, $325 in 2015 and $695 in 2016

You guys are killing your own plan, thanks

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by JBS...

NEED? What you need is healthcare and that we all have.

What do you mean 'we,' white man?

Originally Posted by JBS...

People will die with or without insurance.

It's a question of when, and of how much bad health dogs one's existence in the meantime....

Originally Posted by JBS...

And 10 to 1 most millennials would take the LCD over insurance.

Until they need the care. Then they will give up the LCD and everything they own to get it. That's the system as it exists--you can have money until you get sick, then the med industry gets it. Sooner or later, they have all of it. This is the system you like?

[barbara]

Originally Posted by JBS...

NEED? What you need is healthcare and that we all have.

People will die with or without insurance.

And 10 to 1 most millennials would take the LCD over insurance.

Yeah, we all have health care that is inefficient and costly and with lousy outcomes.
Other countries do it with less cost, more efficiently and with better outcomes.

It only makes good sense to use our tax dollars more wisely since we end up paying with those tax dollars either way.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by JBS...

He is one of yours.

Richard Kronick

Expertise:
health care reform
managed competition proposals in the health insurance industry
consulting and advising to government officials on health care reform
state Medicaid programs
systems to pay HMOs for disabled enrollees' care

Biography
As of January 2010, Richard G. Kronick is on leave from his job as professor and chief of the division of health care sciences at the UCSD School of Medicine's department of family and preventive medicine. He is serving as a deputy assistant secretary for health policy in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The division of health care sciences includes programs in outcome research, biostatistics, health policy, cancer prevention and medical ethics. Kronick previously served as a senior adviser to former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton for two years. He developed much of the theory behind the Clinton administration's proposal for health care reform, particularly managed competition proposals. He continues to provide technical assistance to congressional staff and members. Kronick's work in the area of health-based payment systems led to the development of the Chronic Illness and Disability Payment System (CDPS), a diagnostic classification system that state Medicaid programs can use to determine an appropriately higher level of payment to HMOs for disabled enrollees. He has modified the DPS to fit other health utilization systems since then, and more than a handful of states are putting his theories to the test as they implement their own Medicaid plans. Kronick received his Ph.D. in political science from the University of Rochester in 1990.

Good for Mr. Kronick. heheh...
I'm still going with the Harvard people. You asked for a link, you got a link.
45,000 dead a year.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JBS...

By then the whole thing will be upside down and in a death spiral.

BTW, it's $95 for 2014, $325 in 2015 and $695 in 2016

You guys are killing your own plan, thanks

Yeah, riiiight- upsid down death spiral. keep on listening to those voices in yer head, Jim. You guys crack me up with the florid apocalyptical crap that you repeat.

If they started dinging everyone at seven bones right at the gitgo...all of you 'baggers would be up in arms and a'screeching redfaced at your representative in the house of fools. Not that it would do much good.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by barbara

Ike, the majority of Americans voted for and elected into office politicians that promised health care reform.....

Barbara...the reason why we will probably never have anything better than the twisted piece of crap that is the ACA is because the politicians that promised health care reform will never back a single payer program because they know the American people who voted them into office because they promised health care reform will vote them right out of office at the first hint they support single payer.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by JBS...

By then the whole thing will be upside down and in a death spiral.

BTW, it's $95 for 2014, $325 in 2015 and $695 in 2016

You guys are killing your own plan, thanks

It's not my plan. I suspect is not most of our plan. Most of us want a single payer system. And if I live to see it, I will be on my feet applauding for the death of the ACA and the birth of universal Medicare. But we'll take a plan that covers everybody and eliminates pre-existing and is the only plan (because conservatives and Republicans have no fucking plan) that will put a dent in the 45,000 needlessly dead Americans every year that you don't give a shit about.

[bobabode]

I dunno, Ike. I agree that the ACA is clusterfuck because the healthcare profiteers still have their greedy little hands all over it to the tune of 20%.
There's a lot of us counted in the negative column in the polls who think Obama didn't go far enough. That's where these neocons and 'baggers are wrong in thinking that everybody hates Obamacare.

Bless their pointed little heads.

...edit - I see we are in agreement.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Barbara...the reason why we will probably never have anything better than the twisted piece of crap that is the ACA is because the politicians that promised health care reform will never back a single payer program because they know the American people who voted them into office because they promised health care reform will vote them right out of office at the first hint they support single payer.

I'm more optimistic than that. I think that, at some point, we will wise up and model our health care after successful models used in other countries.

I believe that most of those voters wanted a single payer system in the first place and would support it.

I don't know that it will happen in my lifetime...... But sooner or later we have to get to that point. (Just my opinion)