The Affordable Care Act

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Prove it! Prove 40,000 of them are dying needlessly every year.

Jeezuz criminy JBS, you're gonna bust loose a hunk of plaque. I sure hope you got your god given health insurance coverage in place. I do like that boisterous "Prove It!" though. It sent me back to my days in the Jr High schoolyard. "Oh yeah, Ike? PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!"

Anyway...here ya go...I know you're going to have some rousing right wingnut reason why it's not PROOF enough, but you demand, and I deliver. And look...I even under-estimated with my 40,000 number. (Thank bejus for that too...I can only imagine what your reaction would have been if I had said 50,000. We would have had to rush you to the neurosurgical wing.)

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...alth-coverage/

Anytime you want to say you're sorry for doubting me, just go right ahead.

[icenine]

It is obvious that any one who has used health insurance for medical screens (you know,where they find cancer?) will have a better chance of living longer than someone without the ability to have access to preventable care

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Linky poo?

I know I'm new hereabouts...but I suspect JBS is way better at demanding linky poo's than delivering linky poo's.

And look, he's already dismissed the Harvard Report before I had a chance to give him a linky poo to the Harvard Report.

And Richard Kronick...isn't that an interesting name to pop up in this discussion? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if I have to put my lot in with a Harvard Med study or with somebody named Richard Kronick...I'll be going with the boys from Harvard, not the boy with the hilarious name from UC San Diego.

[Menton1]

Wow, the Repubs are getting itchy/nervous... the healthcare.gov site is working well. Very scary to them, that 30 million folks might actually have health insurance and be less miserable.

Of course, nary a mention of the 35 or so states (including mine, NJ) with Repub governors or Repub legislatures that opted out of running their own site. Right next door in NY, their website is separate from the Federal one and has worked effortlessly since October. NY State has registered about 100K applicants successfully.

Young folks are against health insurance a lot, but it's really dumb. A healthy person can have an accident, fall, or whatever, and be faced with thousands of dollars in bills in a flash. Our friend's son had a skiing accident, broke an arm, and had $8k in doctor bills. Of course, they had to fork it over for him.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Menton1

Wow, the Repubs are getting itchy/nervous... the healthcare.gov site is working well. Very scary to them, that 30 million folks might actually have health insurance and be less miserable.

Of course, nary a mention of the 35 or so states (including mine, NJ) with Repub governors or Repub legislatures that opted out of running their own site. Right next door in NY, their website is separate from the Federal one and has worked effortlessly since October. NY State has registered about 100K applicants successfully.

Young folks are against health insurance a lot, but it's really dumb. A healthy person can have an accident, fall, or whatever, and be faced with thousands of dollars in bills in a flash. Our friend's son had a skiing accident, broke an arm, and had $8k in doctor bills. Of course, they had to fork it over for him.

It's why there needs to be a mandate. Because some cheap-ass hedge fund hotshot will decide he doesn't need to put out the monthly premium money because he's healthy as a horse. Then he drinks himself into an alcoholic coma, his close personal drinking buddies dump his almost corpse at the curb of the ER, he racks up a quarter million in medical bills and everybody else gets to pay for it.

[Menton1]

Or slip on some icy steps...

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I know I'm new hereabouts...but I suspect JBS is way better at demanding linky poo's than delivering linky poo's.

And look, he's already dismissed the Harvard Report before I had a chance to give him a linky poo to the Harvard Report.

And Richard Kronick...isn't that an interesting name to pop up in this discussion? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if I have to put my lot in with a Harvard Med study or with somebody named Richard Kronick...I'll be going with the boys from Harvard, not the boy with the hilarious name from UC San Diego.

A quick look at Google reveals that not everyone thinks Dr. Dick is a diligent researcher. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1702515/

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Sure there are a lot of Americans who support health care reform barbara. Just not the majority of Americans. And I'm not willing to get too cozy with the concept of "uninformed" Americans. Americans are the most intellectually lazy citizens of the developed world. And...IMHO...it's a laziness of convenience.

Back in the '60's we didn't have any money. Everybody else had the money. The silent majority had the money. The military industrial complex had the money. But we were angry enough, and disillusioned enough, and being sent of to slaughter enough that enough of us said...OK...just a minute now, this whole commie domino effect has turned out to be utter bullshit. So we're out in the streets of Chicago in 1968 getting our heads cracked open...when it would have been so much more convenient just to believe whatever was coming out of Spiro Agnew's festering piehole.

Ike, the majority of Americans voted for and elected into office politicians that promised health care reform.....

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Jeezuz criminy JBS, you're gonna bust loose a hunk of plaque. I sure hope you got your god given health insurance coverage in place. I do like that boisterous "Prove It!" though. It sent me back to my days in the Jr High schoolyard. "Oh yeah, Ike? PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!"

Anyway...here ya go...I know you're going to have some rousing right wingnut reason why it's not PROOF enough, but you demand, and I deliver. And look...I even under-estimated with my 40,000 number. (Thank bejus for that too...I can only imagine what your reaction would have been if I had said 50,000. We would have had to rush you to the neurosurgical wing.)

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...alth-coverage/

Anytime you want to say you're sorry for doubting me, just go right ahead.

Doubt you? nope, I have no doubt you drank the Kool-Aid

Do you know who the authors of your study are? Let me tell you.

Dr. David Himmelstein
Dr. Steffie Woolhandler

How are they?

They are the co-founders of the Physicians for a National Health Program, LOL

http://www.pnhp.org/


This study is junk.

The authors interviewed the uninsured only once -- and never saw them again

A decade later, the researchers assumed the participants were still uninsured and, if they died in the interim, lack of insurance was blamed as one of the causes.

They did not track what happened to the insurance status of the subjects over the decade examined, what medical care they received or even the causes of their deaths.

Did you catch that last one, or even the causes of their deaths.

Junk or should I say propaganda put out right in the middle of the debate on healthcare.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I know I'm new hereabouts...but I suspect JBS is way better at demanding linky poo's than delivering linky poo's.

And look, he's already dismissed the Harvard Report before I had a chance to give him a linky poo to the Harvard Report.

And Richard Kronick...isn't that an interesting name to pop up in this discussion? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if I have to put my lot in with a Harvard Med study or with somebody named Richard Kronick...I'll be going with the boys from Harvard, not the boy with the hilarious name from UC San Diego.

Impeaching the source is a debate staple, as long as you do it well. Making fun of the guy's name isn't in that category.