The Affordable Care Act

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Specifically premiums going up and people being dropped. 'ACA'

Pete

Like premiums never went up and people were never dropped before the
ACA. Like my premiums went up every year and every time employers of mine decided they couldn't afford the current plan I was forced to accept a POS or an HMO and a new plan and new doctors.

Like when I went self-employed I wasn't refused coverage by a half-dozen major insurance carriers...and for what? Cancer? No. Heart disease? No. Diabetes? No. High blood pressure? No.

Because I take a statin. BCBS, Humana, United Health Care, Aetna, Coventry...half wouldn't cover me unless I signed a heart disease coverage waver, the other half wouldn't cover me at all. I finally ended up with POS (that's Piece Of Shit) Assurant health for catastrophic coverage for the blonde and me...10K in premiums per year, 10K in out of pocket per year. The same Assurant Health that's been fined numerous times for unlawful policy cancellations, and refusal to pay for HIV treatment, and breach of contract fines in accident cases...and fines for their automatic fraud investigations of any member with HIV treatment in their history. Yep...just the kind of thoughtful business practices that conservatives all across the fruited plain embrace with joy.

I don't give a shit if the ACA is not a cost savings. It's coverage for everybody...and hopefully when it goes under from it's own weight it will be too late for the health insurance industry, and the country converts to single payer...which it should have over 40 years ago.

But I get it pete...you're happy with a health care system that's twice as expensive as in any other developed nation, and that for twice the money we get shit outcomes compared with them. It's fine...just as long as Obama doesn't have a success during his time in office. I guess 45,000 fellow citizens dead every year from otherwise treatable conditions is worth not to have to suffer an Obama win...eh pete?

Go on now...cute reply with a cute little smiley. I'm already in the swing of things.

[piece-itpete]

I seem to remember that it was sold as both a cost savings plan and to cover more people.

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Oh, almost forgot:





Pete

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I seem to remember that it was sold as both a cost savings plan and to cover more people.

Pete

You don't get it do you pete. I don't care. I don't give a shit in Rush Limbaugh's hat for how it was sold.

And I'm not interested in anything the opposition has to offer in it's place that doesn't provide for universal coverage for every man, woman, and particularly every disadvantaged child in this country.

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I seem to remember that it was sold as both a cost savings plan and to cover more people.

Pete

We can't tell the results before they become fully implemented.
The Insurance Companies have had to return the excess money collected for a few years now and I am sure they don't like losing some of their executive private jet funds so they are grasping at straws at this point. Time will tell. Maybe you are reading tea leaves? Ouija Board perhaps?

Carl

[piece-itpete]

Just pointing out the pivot. The snow job means justify the end?

Carl I have a sneaking suspicion that those folks will still have their jets.

Ike, perhaps if the lefts' plan actually did all those things I would be less skeptical.

Pete

[CarlV]

BTW, repost about McConnell and Humana.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...der-96509.html
So Jones and then-Louisville Mayor Jerry Abramson — a Democrat — turned to the most powerful person in Kentucky politics: GOP Sen. Mitch McConnell. They asked McConnell for $10 million in federal funds for the project. Instead, the then-Senate majority whip came through with $38 million in a spending earmark, breaking the good news himself to Jones in a late-night phone call.

Did somebody say pork?


But Jones has been one of McConnell’s most powerful and lasting political benefactors. Jones, his family and Humana employees have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to McConnell’s political committees over the past several decades, making them one of McConnell’s biggest sources of campaign dollars, campaign reports show.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz2nNIbZAMq

All you have to do is google Humana and Mitch McConnell for many like articles. Here.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Huma...ficial&spell=1


Carl

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Just pointing out the pivot. The snow job means justify the end?

Carl I have a sneaking suspicion that those folks will still have their jets.

Ike, perhaps if the lefts' plan actually did all those things I would be less skeptical.

Pete

Pete...you can be as skeptical as you like. I think I've made it clear where I stand on this.

[CarlV]

Carl I have a sneaking suspicion that those folks will still have their jets.

Yes, even regulated to 20% it still makes them filthy stinking rich.


Carl

[icenine]

Yeah there is reason he is been in the Senate all these years..he brings home the bacon to his state....

I wonder if Rand Paul does the same thing....