Woodstock Question

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

Chas thanks for "It was an aberration, not the norm!" This makes things very clear.

HarmanKardon (BTW - one of your turntables, T-45, is among my favorite pieces of vintage audio gear) if you're going to rely on random utterances from Chas as a foundation for your impressions of American culture in the 60's (or American culture any time for that matter) you could be doomed to end up anything but clear.

I still don't know if Chas has formulated his particular opinions on this subject from some personal adult experiences he had in 1969...hell, he may even be one of the 17 million people who say they were at Woodstock that summer. Or perhaps he's a youngster who gets his cultural pinnings from his collection of books by Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter...and when he's interested in some really deep intellectual investigation Pat Buchanan.

Either way HK...I suggest exercising caution in your choice of sources.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I'm curious Chas...how old are you?

Originally Posted by noonereal

Chas is my age.

Uh...OK then I'll assume, Chas was old enough to have attended the Fair (and not in diapers), and didn't because he was either a Young Republican, or maybe even a member of the Up With Young White Caucasians singing group and he's still pissed off that their application to perform at Woodstock was rejected out of hand by Artie Kornfeld.

[icenine]

How do you explain Nixon winning in 1968 and then winning huge in 1972?
Charles is just saying hippiedom was not the norm in the 1960s....

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The United States is far more multi-cultural than Germany, HK. Of the many cultures here, many like to retain their cultural heritage when it comes to music, food, dress, etc. Accordingly, many blacks simply don't like rock & roll and many whites don't like rap/hip-hop.

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Applause! Well said.

Originally Posted by Charles

.. Altamont would be a better example.

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OUCH!

Pete

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by icenine

How do you explain Nixon winning in 1968 and then winning huge in 1972?
Charles is just saying hippiedom was not the norm in the 1960s....

As far as who wins Presidential elections go...I don't think it's but in the last 20 years that there are enough young people with some intellectual curiosity and willingness to get out and work for candidates much less actually get out and vote to begin to see it in Presidential elections. But we're seeing it. The Republicans have lost 5 of the last 6 popular presidential votes. And they don't know what to do about it. I think they should listen to idiots like Limbaugh actually. Get back to their strict conservative ideals. Yep...sure, you guys go ahead and do that, and then watch yourself lose 6 of the next 6 popular votes.

Now regarding Chas...I think Chas is saying a lot more than that. For one, I think Chas is clearly implying that the people who showed up at Woodstock were hypocrites. I think they very much represented the norm of their age group in the late 1960's. The majority of people that I knew were listening to Jimi and the Dead and getting high with each other in 1969. That's just my anecdotal experience of course...but I'm gonna go with that.

[donquixote99]

As i noted before, some people who are conservative, seem to find the 'peace and love' mindset irritating, and have this emotional need to assert that pacifist, 'share the world' types are actually selfish and aggressive bastards like everyone else.

I don't really understand this, and find it odd.

[piece-itpete]

What rank of peacenik are we talking here? Ayers, Garcia, Clinton, or the full Chong?

Pete

[HarmanKardon]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

HarmanKardon (BTW - one of your turntables, T-45, is among my favorite pieces of vintage audio gear) if you're going to rely on random utterances from Chas as a foundation for your impressions of American culture in the 60's (or American culture any time for that matter) you could be doomed to end up anything but clear.

I still don't know if Chas has formulated his particular opinions on this subject from some personal adult experiences he had in 1969...hell, he may even be one of the 17 million people who say they were at Woodstock that summer. Or perhaps he's a youngster who gets his cultural pinnings from his collection of books by Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter...and when he's interested in some really deep intellectual investigation Pat Buchanan.

Either way HK...I suggest exercising caution in your choice of sources.

Ike I just can tell you that Chas' remark sounds quite reasonable to me. You know... it is very difficult for me to get a correct image sitting in the very very far distance, grown up in the seventies, in a totally different culture and so on and so on...very difficult...

[barbara]

Harmon... It has been said that if you remember Woodstock, then you weren't there.

I think the gap between the elected republican politicians and the counter culture at the time is more a result of the mainstream lagging behind the movement.

It wasn't until upper middle class and middle class kids started to get drafted into the Vietnam war that the 'older generation' (parents) started to question the policies of republicans in office.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

As far as who wins Presidential elections go...I don't think it's but in the last 20 years that there are enough young people with some intellectual curiosity and willingness to get out and work for candidates much less actually get out and vote to begin to see it in Presidential elections. But we're seeing it. The Republicans have lost 5 of the last 6 popular presidential votes. And they don't know what to do about it. I think they should listen to idiots like Limbaugh actually. Get back to their strict conservative ideals. Yep...sure, you guys go ahead and do that, and then watch yourself lose 6 of the next 6 popular votes.

Now regarding Chas...I think Chas is saying a lot more than that. For one, I think Chas is clearly implying that the people who showed up at Woodstock were hypocrites. I think they very much represented the norm of their age group in the late 1960's. The majority of people that I knew were listening to Jimi and the Dead and getting high with each other in 1969. That's just my anecdotal experience of course...but I'm gonna go with that.

We are talking about 1969...
I think Merle Haggard was popular then too...

I think Charles meant to say that Woodstock was not representative of all of America at the time...