One Hundred and Fifty Years Ago On This Day

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by icenine

A lesser man than Lincoln could have gave up after Bull Run.

Conversely, I believe a lesser man than Lincoln would have been more influenced to continue. Compromise takes more cajones than Quixotically losing.

Originally Posted by icenine

Sure another man may have been as strong as Lincoln and saved the union and ended slavery.

So he would be the hero....so who cares?

The folks peddling Lincoln as an American deity.

Originally Posted by icenine

It is the outcome.

In many ways, it was the only outcome.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Zeke

In many ways, it was the only outcome.

If the primary issue was slavery, as many contend, the end of it WAS the only outcome.

Even slave owners, by and large, knew that this was a problem which must be addressed.

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by JJIII

Exactly!


(Is there an echo in here?)

If a tree falls in the forest, and no one wants to hear it, does it make a sound?

Chas

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by Charles

If a tree falls in the forest, and no one wants to hear it, does it make a sound?

Chas

I like it!

[bobabode]

We've been watching the newish PBS miniseries, 'Abraham and Mary Lincoln-A House Divided' 2011. Pretty interesting.

[piece-itpete]

There is a marked tendency to view great events in history as a matter of course, that it's what would've happened regardless.

So I ask - what then would the difference be between Obama and Romney? Somehow the end result would be the same, goes this argument.

Consider too that most folks who worked with him thought he was amazing.

The south fired on the north because we were no longer going to allow the expansion of slavery into new territories. So while I agree the Civil War basically killed off states rights, the south started fighting on the assumption that their rights would be taken away some time down the road, not in response to an actual encroachment. And by doing so I believe drastically augmented Federal power in a way it might never have been, or at least sped up its' growth.

Not resupplying Sumter would have been tantamount to surrender. The reasons against a split country are the same reasons for unification in the first place. Endless petty wars and perhaps not petty. It that a reason to force the south into staying? I don't know. Saying the States agreed to the Constitution is probably better but something doesn't feel right. I would have loved to hear what 'each generation should write its' own constitution' Jefferson would've had to say.

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

He (and you) apparently has the time to be long winded. Some of us are forced to be blunt and mean spirited by the constraints of the working world..

Dave

So we can't just be mean spirited?

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

So we can't just be mean spirited?

Pete

Works for me, you neo Whig...

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

There is a marked tendency to view great events in history as a matter of course, that it's what would've happened regardless.

So I ask - what then would the difference be between Obama and Romney? Somehow the end result would be the same, goes this argument.

It would be, once the Republicans had no choice due to the fall of modern society.

Now, we're trying to get ahead of the curve with actual leadership.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Zeke

It would be, once the Republicans had no choice due to the fall of modern society.

Now, we're trying to get ahead of the curve with actual leadership.

After living in Texas, I've always said that I have never seen so many people so proud of nothing.

But that was before Obama was elected.

Chas

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Charles

After living in Texas, I've always said that I have never seen so many people so proud of nothing.

But that was before Obama was elected.

Chas

Yes.

Because, now, idiots are proud of shutting down the government for no reason...