Snap Shots of YOUR Republican Party, 21st Century Style

[piece-itpete]

Funny how this works. 1st, parents get together and pool their resources to pay a teacher. Great, so-chalism in action, right? It gets codified over the years, and now it's no longer their money or decision.

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Funny how this works. 1st, parents get together and pool their resources to pay a teacher. Great, so-chalism in action, right? It gets codified over the years, and now it's no longer their money or decision.

Pete

Still pining for the Gilded Age?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Funny how this works. 1st, parents get together and pool their resources to pay a teacher. Great, so-chalism in action, right? It gets codified over the years, and now it's no longer their money or decision.

Pete

So, my money should be taken and paid out in the form of vouchers, equally to everyone who asks for one, whether they need the financial help or not?

What sense does that make?

I'll say it again;

Subsidizing the education of the poor makes sense. It gives them a leg up. Subsidizing the successful and affluent is a senseless waste. They can afford to pay their own way.

I honestly don't understand how so many folks just don't get this.

Dave

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I've seen the women on the local news actually crying because they didn't win the lottery. Take it as you wish.

How do we get reform when the system is so calcified/patronage-ified? When the Democrat mayor of Cleveland enlisted the Governors help to get some reform the unions and left called him a traitor.

Pete

You always insist on blaming the union, how about a bunch of politicians that do not have a damn clue about what it takes to be a teacher. Take away all those so calle 'experts' and let teachers do what they know how to do -teach. That stupid assessment system they put in place in DC caused them to fire a competent teacher and NoVa hired her so fast it made heads spin.

Having spent half of my life teaching and lecturing I do believe I have some knowledge of the subject. At least people voluntarily paid good money to listen to me.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

So you are OK with different places doing different things? I thought the left wanted Federal conformity

Pete

And there is your problem, you arbitrarily assign your view of the left to anyone and everyone.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Subsidizing the poor makes sense. Subsidizing the children of affluent parents makes absolutely no sense at all. It's utterly stupid. I realize that flies in the face of present-day American conservatism, but that's how I see it.

I'm with you bro. BTW we pay $2200.00 a year in school tax and we do not have children in school. I imagine that we would be as welcom at a PTA meeting as a skunk at a picnic.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Funny how this works. 1st, parents get together and pool their resources to pay a teacher. Great, so-chalism in action, right? It gets codified over the years, and now it's no longer their money or decision.

Pete

Really? Gee around these parts we elect the school board.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by merrylander

I'm with you bro. BTW we pay $2200.00 a year in school tax and we do not have children in school. I imagine that we would be as welcom at a PTA meeting as a skunk at a picnic.

And money well spent...provided the football team is winning.

I know damned good and well I wouldn't be welcome at the skool board meeting.

Chas

[donquixote99]

Merrylander, free public education is in the dock on trial for it's life. After all the puts and takes, the main reason is that large urban districts are producing awful results.

But the main reason is that those districts are serving a population that, as a generalization, does not value education. Alternative schools have turned in much better results, sometimes, mainly by skimming out a subset of the kids who have families that DO value education.

Your one room school taught EVERYONE to read, including the really dumb ones, but it served a population that valued education, expected that result, and would have fired a teacher who didn't deliver.

Do you see any likely way, all things considered, to deliver such results in a modern large urban district?

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Merrylander, free public education is in the dock on trail for it's life. After all the puts and takes, the main reason is that large urban districts are producing awful results.

But the main reason is that those districts are serving a population that, as a generalization, does not value education. Alternative schools have turned in much better results, sometimes, mainly by skimming out a subset of the kids who have families that DO value education.

Your one room school taught EVERYONE to read, including the really dumb ones, but it served a population that valued education, expected that result, and would have fired a teacher who didn't deliver.

Do you see any likely way, all things considered, to deliver such results in a modern large urban district?

As long as people do not value education they are then simply using the schools as a publicly funded baby sitter.

The schools that our granddaughters were attending in Ontario are excellent. Now that the divorce is final she has them down in West Palm Beach. From what I saw on the web site the school they are now attending is above average, so we must wait and see. The oldest has an above average IQ, having been down that road it is easy to see, the younger is average, but will likely grow up to be a heartbreaker.

All that said I still cannot really believe that parents do not care if their children are educated. My old one room schoolhouse did the job because there was no outside interference. We had no 'experts' telling Miss Ray how to do her job. And you sure as hell would never have any of the students telling her what to do. She got respect because she darn well deserved it.

Perhaps that is where things have gone awry. People do not show respect today. Whether deserved or not, talking heads, columnists, etc. seem to feel that deliberate insults are the norm.

Modern technology sure has not helped, with the advent of texting the English language has been abandoned. With examples such as Bieber and Cyrus I imagine that we may as well stop worrying and give up. We only have the two girls to see properly educated, we simply must let others worrt about their own children.

It occurs that rather than rushing about blaming this one and that ome, maybe it is time to look in the mirror.

I forgot, the charter schools here in DC are in fact no better than the public schools.