Obamacare Mandate May Be Delayed

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

I think both of you may not be quite right about this. Several Taft-Hartley multi-employer health and welfare plans sought and received waivers to PPACA because their plans didn't meet the minimum requirement of the law that were phased in between 2010 and 2013. However, those waivers were granted only through 2013, and the union must start to comply after 1/1/2014 (or possibly the first plan year thereafter).

Unions also sought for their multi-employer plans, and were denied, access to the premium subsidies afforded to individuals not covered under group health plans. If that had been granted, it would have made those plans very affordable for union employees, and possibly attractive to employers that had previously not been open to having their workforce organized, since they could then offload the cost of health insurance to a union plan in a very cost effective way. However, they are group health plans, and under the law, individuals covered under such plans are not eligible for subsidies.

However, I suspect this isn't over. The administration has suggested that if unions convert their multi-employer plans into "private exchanges", there may be a way leverage the exchange model to grant subsidies to members, though that may create some new tax consequences for the unions.

Good information, whell. Thanks.

[icenine]

Oh California is like the 6th largest economy in the world....
besides the US shifts our tax revenues to the poorer bagger states getting all the government aid.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by ohbummer

Of course you think it is crazy. You are from Califorskin and have spent all your money and now you need to spend everyone elses. Almost everyone in your state is fiscally irresponsible and think credit is a right.

If you're from a deep Red state, it's you that's receiving and spending more than your share of Federal monies. BTW, these monies are largely being provided by the strong economies of the Blue states that pay far more to the Fed than they get back as a result of the good educations systems and innovative industries in these states. I take it you've heard of Silicon Valley.

[piece-itpete]

Is that were the supermodels hang out?

Pete

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Is that were the supermodels hang out?

Pete

Yeah, valley girls, I've totally heard of them!

[piece-itpete]

"CBS News) WASHINGTON - One of the mysteries of the problems with the Obamacare website is why Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius would give the "all clear" after the system failed, repeatedly, during tests days before its debut.

CBS News has learned the website failed with a small test pool of 200 to 300 people that included employees from the government and insurance companies. The government employees worked at their own computers and desks within the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversaw the health care implementation.

According to sources familiar with the process, CMS employees were provided fake personal information to enter into HealthCare.gov rather than their own data and were given a date that testing would begin. However, on that date, the employees were told it was being postponed.

When the testing finally took place in late September, the testers started trying to create an application. Just a couple of pages into the process, everything "ground to a stop," said one source.

"It froze. It couldn't go forward. It crashed," the source said.

A couple of days later, testers tried again and had a similar outcome. They were never able to successfully browse plans for cost estimates.

"It was unequivocally clear from testing ... this wasn't ready," said a source close to the testing.

The account is in stark contrast to the testimony Tuesday from Marilyn Tavenner, the head of CMS. She testified under oath she had no idea prior to Oct. 1 that the problems were so bad.

"We had tested the website, and we were comfortable with its performance," Tavenner said. " The volume issue and the creation of account issues was not anticipated and obviously took us by surprise and did not show up in testing."

One question this raises: Was the head of CMS unaware of the results of the testing that took place inside her own agency just days before the launch?"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_16...e-launch-date/

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Pete

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Yeah, valley girls, I've totally heard of them!

Gag me with a spoooon

Pete

[ohbummer]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If you're from a deep Red state, it's you that's receiving and spending more than your share of Federal monies. BTW, these monies are largely being provided by the strong economies of the Blue states that pay far more to the Fed than they get back as a result of the good educations systems and innovative industries in these states. I take it you've heard of Silicon Valley.

No I live in a worthless blue state. Blue just means a higher concentration of whiners.

The only reason California has an income is because of Hollywood.

It looks like you have let the blue machine blow smoke up your @ss for so long that you can only see what they want you to see, but then again we know that the current administration loves to teach sideways math as fact.

[whell]

Originally Posted by ohbummer

Of course you think it is crazy. You are from Califorskin and have spent all your money and now you need to spend everyone elses. Almost everyone in your state is fiscally irresponsible and think credit is a right.

Maybe Califorskin should secede and become their own country and figure out how to get out of the mess they are in on their own.

MY name is a reflection of the feeling I get from our current head liar of our country.

The level of discussion in this forum is generally a few notches above that reflected in the above post. While Cali's financial picture is hardly robust, the same can be said of most other states, including my own (which has been steadily improving under the direction of our Repub governor, by the way ).

So, your post are always welcome. But I'd suggest you "up your game" to a level of discussion that is at once informative and challenging based on facts or substantive opinions rather than ad homs.

[donquixote99]

Anyone who can say a thing like "the only reason California has an income is because of Hollywood" has no business accusing anyone else of 'blowing smoke.'

And this is my last reply to an Obummer post, unless he demonstrates an ability to talk reasonable. All I've seen from him is brainless bash'em tactics.