Would you stand with these folks?

[icenine]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

What kills me is the way the right treats us hourly wage type folks and so many of us still fall for their line of BS. Union busting, the constant whining about labor regulations (OT, minimum wage, unemployment insurance, etc.,etc........). It just doesn't make much sense. Why do so many side with an ideology that is so hostile towards.......well.........THEM?

All I can figure is it's issues like gun control. And, then there's all of the propaganda about "slackers" and "moochers" and what not.

Dave

It is a combination of low information voters electing people who they think are supposedly their champions. Said champions are elitists being bankrolled by Jim Demint and the Koch brothers. The Princeton and Harvard educated Cruz then uses the bogeyman of Obamacare to fool his followers. It has all been done before in the 19th Century by people race baiting and "waving the bloody flag" of the Civil War. That is one part.

The other part is that Obamacare is seen as a money transfer to people who did not earn it by the same low info voters. The GOP knows that if Obamacare is half as successful as the Democrats want it to be that it is over for them. Plus blocking an Immigration reform bill is pretty stupid too. People of color with health insurance are gonna remember who had their backs....so will most whites who join the exchanges. The whole tone of the Tea Party is pre- Civil Rights and anti-progressive.

I also think that this jobless recovery is the new normal unfortunately.....I hope I am really wrong too. It seems Obama at least wants to make life suck less than it would otherwise. The GOP has really no plan at all if you think about it except tax cuts for the rich. You have seen how that went.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Charles

That would depend on his rationale for bringing the flag.

I will admit, that given the current politically correct view of the Confederate Battle Flag, he should have known better than to display it.

All he was doing was playing into the hands of the liberals and reenforcing their biases of those on the right.

Chas

What, pray tell, is politically correct about viewing the stars & bars as the symbol of a society/culture who fought to preserve slavery? And please don't even try to tell me that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, but states' rights (i.e., the states' right in question was the right to own slaves.)

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Photo from the Million Vets march from the WWII to the White House.

Photo ops clowns! Lost again.......

They marched to the wrong house! It's congress holding up the country you fools!



Barney

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

What, pray tell, is politically correct about viewing the stars & bars as the symbol of a society/culture who fought to preserve slavery? And please don't even try to tell me that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, but states' rights (the states' right in question was the right to own slaves.)

We've argued this before and IIRC, the result was certain individuals crawlin' away with tails tucked. Some still haven't returned. It's an argument they cannot win.

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by finnbow

What, pray tell, is politically correct about viewing the stars & bars as the symbol of a society/culture who fought to preserve slavery? And please don't even try to tell me that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, but states' rights (i.e., the states' right in question was the right to own slaves.)

It's economics, Finn. The south had all that cheap labor and the north just got jealous

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

It is a combination of low information voters electing people who they think are supposedly their champions. Said champions are elitists being bankrolled by Jim Demint and the Koch brothers. The Princeton and Harvard educated Cruz then uses the bogeyman of Obamacare to fool his followers. It has all been done before in the 19th Century by people race baiting and "waving the bloody flag" of the Civil War. That is one part.

The other part is that Obamacare is seen as a money transfer to people who did not earn it by the same low info voters. The GOP knows that if Obamacare is half as successful as the Democrats want it to be that it is over for them. Plus blocking an Immigration reform bill is pretty stupid too. People of color with health insurance are gonna remember who had their backs....so will most whites who join the exchanges. The whole tone of the Tea Party is pre- Civil Rights and anti-progressive.

I also think that this jobless recovery is the new normal unfortunately.....I hope I am really wrong too. It seems Obama at least wants to make life suck less than it would otherwise. The GOP has really no plan at all if you think about it except tax cuts for the rich. You have seen how that went.

Can't see anything here to disagree with.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Hmmmmmm....................

Interesting notion. Considering the "Southern Strategy". However, having been raised in the north and living in the south since 1986, I find that basic human nature and attitudes are really not much different here than there.

Well of course not. But some details of belief, identity, and politics seem to differ.

It is mostly districts in southern states that have actually elected Tea Party people, seems to me.

Make that southern states and bleedin' Kansas.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Charles

Yeah, I'll stand with 'em.

You can go stand with assholes like this.

Attachment 1941

Isn't that the game, to see if we can insult and piss one another off?

Chas

Speaking of pre-conceived notions, why do you assume that anyone here would support that shitty (excuse the pun) act. I would stand with neither the guy with his pants down, or the guy sending his intended message with the confederate flag. I would support the right of either to express themselves, as vulgar as it might be.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

What, pray tell, is politically correct about viewing the stars & bars as the symbol of a society/culture who fought to preserve slavery? And please don't even try to tell me that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, but states' rights (i.e., the states' right in question was the right to own slaves.)

No doubt slavery was a central issue, but not the only issue.

The Civil War was perhaps started with the Missouri Compromise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Compromise, which was an attempt to maintain a balance of power in the Federal Government...back in the days when states rights were a concern. This was soon followed by the Tariff of 1828 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_Abominations which benefited the industrialized North at the expense of the agrarian South. And things continued downhill from there.

In short, the Civil War was fought for the same reasons that all wars are fought, political control and money. Slavery, while necessary in the South and abhorred by the abolitionists in the North, was a peripheral issue at the time.

I am not here to defend slavery. And while some see the Confederate flag as the banner of hatred and oppression, there are those who see it as symbol of freedom, and one which their ancestors fought under and died for. Actually, it's both.

Primarily, it's a piece of history, an inanimate object which is defined only by one's own perspective.

And my perspective is that anyone who allows themselves to become enraged over something as simple as a flag isn't being very objective.

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Speaking of pre-conceived notions, why do you assume that anyone here would support that shitty (excuse the pun) act. I would stand with neither the guy with his pants down, or the guy sending his intended message with the confederate flag. I would support the right of either to express themselves, as vulgar as it might be.

Regards,

D-Ray

I'm simply playing the game. In case you haven't noticed, it's wildly popular here.

BTW, I don't go to protests. IMHO, not only are they a magnet for the unhinged, they are also an exercise in futility. Not to mention allowing yourself to become a tool for someone's agenda.

I have my own agenda...it's called ME. And from where I sit, it's hardly worth showing up for either. If I had another option, I wouldn't bother at all.

Chas