The Tea Party Way, Governing By Extortion

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I just read an article about the furlough, Pentagon employees returning to work and back pay for all. I'm thinking it's real. At the same time the president is still advocating ACA. So, I'm guessing the budget is passed and it's on to the debt ceiling?

Dave

Nope. It's just more half steppin' piecemeal bullshit. Boehner hasn't given in on anything. It's an ass covering vote in the house that was passed unanimously today. The Senate is still holding firm against the Cruz craziness of picking and choosing which parts of government they want to fund. Cruz and his buddies are still swingin' in the wind.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by icenine

I think the episode where the Tea Party Congressman is insulting the Park Ranger at the WWII monument sums up everything about the Tea Party, which in a nutshell is that there is no fear of accountability. To whit:

1. In the past no politician, left or right, Republican or Democrat, would publicly denigrate a citizen on camera. Just a dumb dumb thing to do. No one likes assholes period.

2. The fact that he could insult a Park Ranger for basically doing what he actually voted to make her do (i.e. shut down the government and the national parks) shows the contempt he has for other workers of the government. Never mind she is a public employee like himself....he voted to gut her pay but of course kept his. He is ok with it though since he is from a gerrymandered district and he does not have to worry about re-election because the Koch brothers has him in their back pocket.

3. He has an American flag in his pocket but his contemptible toward the concept of American government. He could care less about the country...as long as he votes Tea Party and does not get primaried he is down with destroying the economy and putting people out of work.

He would have been like a party hack in Stalinist Russia...as long as he is on Uncle Joe's good side he does not care or have to worry about anything but his own political career.
That is the Tea Party...as long as they toe the line for the Kock Brothers super pac and get re-elected screw everyone else.

Name one positive thing the Tea Party congress has accomplished. One important piece of legislation.

Well, I'll agree with you that giving the Park Ranger a blast of shit was uncalled for. It's as futile as cussing out someone who is cold calling with a credit card scheme, they're just some poor slob trying to make a living, and doing what they're told.

Now don't get me wrong. If I could find the actual bastard that hired them, and put me in their database, I'd choke that sonofabitch until his eyeballs popped out of his head and were lying on his cheekbones.

Especially if he were to wake me up while I'm taking a nap. I wake up damned mean if you interrupt my nap!!! I don't like assholes either, but as a rule I tolerate them...to a point.

But I can't understand your livid hatred of the Tea Party. They were elected, and have just as much of a right to pursue their agenda as anyone. And they are no more bought and paid for than anyone in politics, at least on the national level.

Myself, I'm not a big fan of the Progressive Caucus. But I don't work overtime bitching and moaning about them. By and large I think they're full of shit, but they've got the job, so let 'em do it.

About the only politician I've been highly critical of is Al Gore. And that's because I was, and still am, of the opinion that his push for carbon credits was just a money making scam. And just another scheme by the elites to enforce their will on the population and make them fund their efforts as well.

Once again, switching gears.

I see the Tea Party as a group which advocates rebuilding the middle class not by expanding the government and government expenditures, but instead by attempting to place controls on ever increasing deficits, overreaching regulations, government waste, and government priorities.

I'm also an advocate of reaching a compromise. But as long as we continue to view one another as Beelzebub reincarnated, and continue to insult our opponents intelligence, patriotism, and character...we're not going to accomplish much.

You reap what you sow.

Chas

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Charles

But I can't understand your livid hatred of the Tea Party. They were elected, and have just as much of a right to pursue their agenda as anyone.

They were indeed elected and have a right to their views and votes. It's their willingness to let the nation default while pursuing an impossible agenda (i.e., repealing Obamacare without the votes). They took an oath of office to play within the system prescribed by the Constitution and the Constitution (14th Amendment, Section 4) says: "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned." Obamacare was passed by both Houses, signed by the President and upheld by the SCOTUS and they're threatening to default on the debt due to an irrational temper tantrum. No more, no less. They're a shameless lot.

[bobabode]

So much for the party that prides itself on being strict constitutionalists.
It appears to me that these oathbreakers have no respect at all for the law.

[icenine]

I don't know Charles

I mean insulting a worker not getting paid because you decided to take her paycheck away by shutting down the government is beyond the pale to me. It is basically saying I got mine and I took yours and now I will accuse you of being evil because you are doing what I made you do.

Sounds like George Orwell to me. Yes I can see why you would find my simile disturbing since the party hack in question is wearing a three piece suit with a big American flag in his breast pocket and comes from Texas.

When does the Tea Party's hatred of government, government regulation, rule of law, start to translate into hatred of the American government? When does it go from conservatism to destruction. Your tea party friends put 800,000 people out of a paycheck, forced private companies doing business with the Federal government to cancel contracts and lay off workers, and is now threatening the American economy with not expanding the debt ceiling.


Where is the patriotism in that? You answer that question.

Also, the Communists and the Fascists used the big lie. Look what it did to Europe.
Now we have Cruz, Bachmann, Gomert, and others using the big lie.

Big lie: cut food stamps for the poor we have a deficit. Of course Bachmann gets her farm subsidies.
Big Lie: Obamcare will hurt people. The truth: people will be able to buy insurance from (oh shit wtf?!?) PRIVATE INSURANCE companies. WTF.
Big Lie: Ted Cruz filibusters for 25 hours then votes for the bill he filibustered against!!!!
WTF?
Big Lie: We need voter suppression because of rampant voter fraud. The truth: the only actual case of voter fraud were committed by Republicans in 2012.

you see why I am upset with the Tea Party?
take it from someone who spent a bit of time in Iraq and knows what a patriot is (and I do not mean me) the head of the Tea Party Ted Cruz in NOT A PATRIOT.

Yes they were elected but that does not mean they can ruin our nation because they do not like a law.

Is Obama the other? I don't know but it is obvious a certain segment of the nation and the country have a major problem with him. To me "the other" is the Tea Party because they are becoming everything they supposedly do not like about Obama.

your damn right I hate them as a political party. I hate political parties that destroy a families economic security just because they do not like a law. I hate people who destroy things just because they can.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Hi Chas- Here how I think it works for what it's worth. The Hastert rule, which is an unwritten rule that says unless a majority of the 'pubbies in the House indicate that they are in favor of passing something, the speaker will not bring it to the floor for a vote. Feel free to correct me if I've got it wrong anyone.

Boehner has broken it in the past and it almost cost him the speakership. Some folks are reading the tea leaves to mean that Boehner will break it again to raise the debt limit rather than let the Tea Party wreck the economic structure of the planet by defaulting on our existing debt interest payments.

I don't see that we have any choice but to continue to raise the debt limit at this point. Hopefully, we will advance beyond this point in the future, but I'm beginning to have my doubts. I fear that we are reaching a crux of evolution, where the fact that machines are replacing people is being combined with overpopulation, and with everyone still expecting upward mobility. It's a tough nut.

I also think that our masters know full well that they have been running a crooked game for some time. And if they fuck around and collapse the global economy, that the great unwashed, once they get done fighting with one another, are going to show up at the palace doors...ant this time they ain't bringing pitchforks and torches.

And their Praetorian Guard, lined up out front in their M1A1's, realize that the turret can be redirected 180 degrees.

Personally, I wish our betters could devise a plan which grew the economy as opposed to looting my retirement savings. But I'm also pragmatic enough to realize that 95%, or 90%, or even 50% of something, as time goes on, is better than 100% of nothing. Which is what will happen if the global economy collapses and the mob shows up at the palace doors. I'm too old to play catch up ball. As bad as it is, I'm the status quo, and I vote for stability.

Of course, the smart money is now to take those worthless CD's which aren't even making a point and shove them into the markets...which are being fueled by deficit spending to a large degree.

But being the old nickle ante poker player I am, I still say that when you look around the table and you don't know who the sucker is, then the sucker is you.

Those bastards can skin you before you have time to blink your eyes. Hell, they've set up computers to do it.

Chas

[icenine]

I am not saying the Tea Party has committed human rights violations or are as evil as the Nazis and Communists.....that they want to do the same things those people did. I am not saying that.

But you cannot deny that the Briebart fueled Koch Brothers super pac funded juggernaut as had a HUGE chilling effect on moderate Republicans in the House....you cannot be moderate and vote for common sense legislation because they feel they might get targeted by the Tea Party....primaried. It is akin to being in Salem Massachusetts and being accused of witchcraft


you know the reason why the Senators are really hating Ted Cruz is because he will not take Republican Senators name off of a Tea Party hit list....even though Republicans have asked him too. That is why they started yelling at him at the dinner last week.
With friends like Ted Cruz the GOP does not need enemies that is for sure.



By the way Chas not everything is corrupt ok. Our government does work pretty good for the most part, this last week being an exception.
Corruption is when you land at an foreign airport and put $10 dollars in your passport so you do not have to go through customs...and I have done that myself actually so I am not innocent. Corruption is having to pay a bank clerk a bribe to cash your travelers check. Our United States is not like that at all so quit exaggerating corruption ok.
Peace and Love Ringo

[Charles]

Originally Posted by icenine

I don't know Charles

I mean insulting a worker not getting paid because you decided to take her paycheck away by shutting down the government is beyond the pale to me. It is basically saying I got mine and I took yours and now I will accuse you of being evil because you are doing what I made you do.

Sounds like George Orwell to me. Yes I can see why you would find my simile disturbing since the party hack in question is wearing a three piece suit with a big American flag in his breast pocket and comes from Texas.

When does the Tea Party's hatred of government, government regulation, rule of law, start to translate into hatred of the American government? When does it go from conservatism to destruction. Your tea party friends put 800,000 people out of a paycheck, forced private companies doing business with the Federal government to cancel contracts and lay off workers, and is now threatening the American economy with not expanding the debt ceiling.


Where is the patriotism in that? You answer that question.

Also, the Communists and the Fascists used the big lie. Look what it did to Europe.
Now we have Cruz, Bachmann, Gomert, and others using the big lie.

Big lie: cut food stamps for the poor we have a deficit. Of course Bachmann gets her farm subsidies.
Big Lie: Obamcare will hurt people. The truth: people will be able to buy insurance from (oh shit wtf?!?) PRIVATE INSURANCE companies. WTF.
Big Lie: Ted Cruz filibusters for 25 hours then votes for the bill he filibustered against!!!!
WTF?
Big Lie: We need voter suppression because of rampant voter fraud. The truth: the only actual case of voter fraud were committed by Republicans in 2012.

you see why I am upset with the Tea Party?
take it from someone who spent a bit of time in Iraq and knows what a patriot is (and I do not mean me) the head of the Tea Party Ted Cruz in NOT A PATRIOT.

Yes they were elected but that does not mean they can ruin our nation because they do not like a law.

Is Obama the other? I don't know but it is obvious a certain segment of the nation and the country have a major problem with him. To me "the other" is the Tea Party because they are becoming everything they supposedly do not like about Obama.

your damn right I hate them as a political party. I hate political parties that destroy a families economic security just because they do not like a law. I hate people who destroy things just because they can.

I don't know either.

I would like to make a point. I've never found anyone who I agreed with 100% on everything. Now I have one buddy with which we pretty much agree 80% of the time. But we've been getting drunk together for a good 35 yrs, and as much as I love him, at times he bores me to tears. In a way, it's like getting drunk by yourself while looking in a mirror.

I find it more entertaining to get drunk with my liberal buddies. Maybe that's why I waste so much time on this forum.

As a rule, we agree on what we want from society, and life. But we do parry over the best means to get from point A to point B. And as a rule, we reach for a consensus, as opposed to getting all pissed off at one another. Not that that doesn't happen at times. But I find these conversations to be far more interesting than those with my old buddy with whom we pretty much agree on everything. We are basically using one another as sounding boards...with predictable results.

Now please don't take my following statements as a personal insult, as they are not meant to be. These are only my observations, and as such, are certainly open for debate.

But, IMHO, you have already made you mind up, and should anyone disagree with you, you not only dismiss them out of hand, but become angry. Hell, I was pretty much the same way until I turned 50, and realized that I was nobody or nothing, and I really didn't know shit from beans. And getting all bent out of shape about is was the dumbest thing I could do. Anger is a self inflicted wound.

There's a lot to be said for being nobody or nothing, and dumber than a day old pig. You're not expected to hold they keys to the universe.

What's say we get along. Sometimes we agree, sometimes not.

But it beats the shit out of going through life with a bug up your ass. It's a fools burden, and one which can be left beside the road at any time. To everyone's benefit.

Now I'm 100% correct on this one, and one of the few statements from which I refuse to back down from.

And allow me to wish you an enjoyable evening, Kind Sir. Whether it is or not is entirely in your hands. I was miserable for 50 yrs, and most of it was due to what I allowed to clutter my mind.

Chas

[bobabode]

I dunno, Chas. Robbin is being fucked over on his paycheck and if he wants to keep his job? He better keep showing up without knowing when he's going to be paid. You and me, I assume, would pull our crew/not show up if some harry homeowner just up and decided not to adhere to the payment schedule that we agreed on. Right? Cut him a little slack, he's between a rock and a hard place.

[Charles]

My generic response to all of you is...

I need to get up early tomorrow and prep for five days at Pomme de Terre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomme_de_Terre_Lake

We've located the perfect seedy fishing camp, owned by an old couple who don't give a fuck about what you do...much less demanding that we keep the little dog on a leash...like it was some damned animal. Guess they've been around people long enough to tell the difference.

Five days of drinking beer and thinking clear...and not catching fish. And the weather should be perfect.

I'm kind of looking forward to it. And if the world goes to shit without my input...so what. Nobody wants to listen to me anyway.

Chas