The Affordable Care Act

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by Oerets

It should never be like hitting the lottery having good healthcare. I figure the days of businesses tied to offering healthcare are numbered now.


Barney

True, but at a median household income of 50,000, dollars, a person shouldn't have to pay 1/3 of his income to the government plus 1/3 for health insurance either. Doesn't leave a lot left for a mortgage, a car, and food.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Oerets

It should never be like hitting the lottery having good healthcare. I figure the days of businesses tied to offering healthcare are numbered now.


Barney

And, good riddance to it.

Dave

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by mpholland

True, but at a median household income of 50,000, dollars, a person shouldn't have to pay 1/3 of his income to the government plus 1/3 for health insurance either. Doesn't leave a lot left for a mortgage, a car, and food.

Sounds like we agree! The ACA is not the law I wanted at all. I wanted care to be from non-profit single payer system. Medicare for all! Then what Medicare fails to pay let the insurance companies get involved.

Tie the premiums to your 1040 or pay check. No monthly check but taken out of everyone's pay like SS is. Everyone!

Barney

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by mpholland

True, but at a median household income of 50,000, dollars, a person shouldn't have to pay 1/3 of his income to the government plus 1/3 for health insurance either. Doesn't leave a lot left for a mortgage, a car, and food.

True.

So, what do we do about it?

[CarlV]

As long as we insist on paying insurance companies 20% to administer what our bloated inefficent government does with administering the VA at 7% we are stuck with pissing away this 13% of our income. And it was 30% before Obamacare made them accountable. I got no answers with our present system of lobbyists plus the Koch Bros owning 2 justices outright doesn't help any either.

Carl

[icenine]

Originally Posted by mpholland

True, but at a median household income of 50,000, dollars, a person shouldn't have to pay 1/3 of his income to the government plus 1/3 for health insurance either. Doesn't leave a lot left for a mortgage, a car, and food.

I made about a little over 100,000 dollars last year, including my wife's salary from her job. I paid around $13,000 Federal and around $2000 or $3,000 state. Where do you get 33% on $50,000? Even if you do not own a house it is not that high on $50,000. I figured I paid around 14-15%

Yes health care is expensive but getting rid of Obamacare will not make it cheaper.

[icenine]

Single payer while most a laudable goal will increase taxes.

I am a liberal but I am a realist. If you are upset with current tax rates single payer will increase them. I am all for National Health. But you have to realize we would have to pay for it.

If you a Proposition 13 sort of tax hater you will not like single payer tax increases.
But of course you could cut down on defense spending to make up for it.
But the economy would suffer on the other hand.

NO easy answers. Give Obamacare a chance.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

Yes health care is expensive but getting rid of Obamacare will not make it cheaper.

And, this is the point I keep trying to raise.

What would have been the cost of doing nothing? And, when I ask that, I am not just speaking in terms of taxes. What would have been the cost to industry, our workers and our society in general? Jobs? Levels of coverage and the number of uninsured?

Has anyone considered that, lately? And, why is no one in the press or government talking about it?

Dave

[donquixote99]

The cost would have been rough on the middle class in terms of $. It would be rougher on more and more of the uninsured working low end, stuck going without care until it was ER time. As the % of the workers in the last category is growing, lots of people had a $ interest in getting this group insured.

Even Republicans aren't really against that, which is why the thing made it's way through the Supreme Court. Only the Medicaid expansion took a hit--that's the group that's not working, so the R's don't care at all about them.

[Oerets]

With a single payer right off the bat would save money. By eliminating the jobs now redundant in the many plans that would not needed. The fact it would be at a lower operating cost and have yearly cost justification and or set like Medicare is handled.



Barney