So no matter what happens in Massachusetts tomorrow..

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Freedom for us comes at a high price. Lots of good men went down so we can do
what we do. We should be more thankful to our leaders and our fallen
brothers for allowing us to live without oppresion. We must continue to fight
the spread of camelism. I Wonder what our fallen soldiers would say to anti
war types that have no clue why their lives are as good as they are. It would
not be a pretty sight.

I completely agree with the first part of your post. I'm not sure what "camelism" is other than I assume some kind of deragatory term for people who weren't fortunate enough to be born in the West.

Being against the war in Iraq doesn't make you an "anti-war type". It was a bad call to go there. I do not believe that the war in Iraq as it has been executed is in any way related to my life being as good as it is.

[Writewing]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

For Christ sake. Whatever. Why bother to answer?

I invite you not to answer, if you going to live in the past with "what ifs" as if this were some Political fantasy league and talk about an Election damn near 10 yrs ago I fully support your choice not to respond. The topic is about today and the future................is that clear?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by doucanoe

I do also (cap and trade that is).

Being in the housing and commercial construction industry for almost 25 years now, I am very attuned to "green" efforts how many have jumped on board for profit and to conform to regulation. If you could see some of the inner workings of it, I believe you might see a lot of it as a bit of a joke. Be that as it may, jobs are jobs as long as they aren't all just built on the notion of green.

We really need to start to produce a viable product in this country soon or it's going to be government and service related jobs for all of us. If you subscribe any to the notion that government does produce a product as such, we had better start investing in the private sector.

For those of you who say, well, don't just bitch, provide some solutions I give you this...

Maybe a good place to start would be to tax the hell out of corporate entities that wish to produce products overseas and at the same time, wish to bring them back for sale here. At the same time, provide incentives to manufactures that produce a product here for sale here. This would stimulate job growth here by allowing companies who wish to play by the rules the additional capitol to grow and hire.

Maybe thats just a naive approach to things from a guy who likes to cut to the chase I'm just a guy who would like to get to the heart of the problem (some of it anyway) and deal with it accordingly.

Sorry about the somewhat off topic rant. I just can't help myself

RC

Now, see? We do agree sometimes. I agree with everything you said above.

By the way, that idea about penalizing American companies that move offshore and reward those that don't?

John Kerry.

John

John

[djv8ga]

If the right continues to send kids to their death as they have, they will dissolve the Republican party. Dems, Libertarians, and Independents will not put up with it any longer...IMO.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Your joking right ?

Even Gore would have been forced by the masses to declare war after 911.

Well, Gore might have listened to Richard Clark and might have paid attention to the numerous specific warnings of an impending al Qaeda attack on the US. If he had 9/11 might well have been prevented.

We don't know, of course, but we do know that Bush's negligence made al Qaeda's job a lot easier.

John

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

I Wonder what our fallen soldiers would say to anti
war types that have no clue why their lives are as good as they are. It would
not be a pretty sight.

I think you sell the fallen short by assuming their thoughts to be so one dimentional.

[Writewing]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

If the right continues to send kids to their death as they have, they will dissolve the Republican party. Dems, Libertarians, and independents will not put up with it any longer...IMO.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Being against the war in Iraq doesn't make you an "anti-war type". It was a bad call to go there. I do not believe that the war in Iraq as it has been executed is in any way related to my life being as good as it is.

I would add that being against the decision to go to war in Iraq is in no way the same thing as being "against the troops". Quite the opposite is the case. Rather we are against the senseless waste of our brave young men and women in a futile and illegal military adventure.

John

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Well, Gore might have listened to Richard Clark and might have paid attention to the numerous specific warnings of an impending al Qaeda attack on the US. If he had 9/11 might well have been prevented.

We don't know, of course, but we do know that Bush's negligence made al Qaeda's job a lot easier.

John

we also know that Bush bolstered the al Qaeda network by his war on Iraq.
we also know the hierarchy of al Qaeda could have been crushed if he had not let Rumsfeld tell the military how to fight the war.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Writewing

I think that is a very introspective post writewing.
You seemed to have captured the essence of your participation here.