Zimmerman trial starts today.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Oerets

fact (bing)

fact [ fakt ]
""something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened

truth or reality of something: the truth or actual existence of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something

piece of information: a piece of information, e.g. a statistic or a statement of the truth.""


Facts.
Zippy had a loaded gun
Trevon skittles and a drink!
One is dead the other is not.
One was told to leave then did not.





Like I stated before an armed person (concealed) now can cause a confrontation with a unarmed person. Then when things get out of hand shoot and kill the unarmed person is now legal in the USA?



Barney

Your a poet, Barney. Must be the water.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Oerets

fact (bing)

fact [ fakt ]
""something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened

truth or reality of something: the truth or actual existence of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something

piece of information: a piece of information, e.g. a statistic or a statement of the truth.""


Facts.
Zippy had a loaded gun Trevon skittles and a drink! One is dead the other is not. One was told to leave then did not.





Like I stated before an armed person (concealed) now can cause a confrontation with a unarmed person. Then when things get out of hand shoot and kill the unarmed person is now legal in the USA?



Barney

It's not.

Much like smashing someone's nose and continuing to pummel them in the face once you have them down isn't legal either.

Chas

[stereocuuple]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Mazeltov! I used to be shabbas goy.

Dad was in the 10th AD under Patton, they killed a shitload of nazies. They liberated the Landsberg camp per the Holocaust Museum.

many heartfelt thanks to your father for his service to civilization.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by stereocuuple

many heartfelt thanks to your father for his service to civilization.

Thanks. One of many, many folk just doing their duty. I wish he was around still but he had a long life and had eight kids who are almost all Democrats 'cept one.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Charles

It's not.

Much like smashing someone's nose and continuing to pummel them in the face once you have them down isn't legal either.

Chas

So cowboys with guns can act like punks and we had better do as they say? If we resist they can kill us?

Chas, I love ya and even more important I respect ya but that is no way to live.

You basically are insisting that I carry a gun also to create a level playing field.

If the kid had a gun and RIGHTFULLY felt threatened and killed Zim for following him and making him feel threatened would that have been alright with you?

If the kid had a CC permit and did kill Zim no one would have questioned it but because the kid did not have a gun, he is dead.

I don't mind you having your guns, I don't want to live in a country where I am required to carry one to have a chance.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by stereocuuple

im sickened by the armchair jury & online drumhead trial that Zimmerman is being subjected to hear.

erin & I live in the inner city and we see criminals everyday here. they are not always commiting a crime but you can bet they aint hanging out in the alley or under the "L" overpasses to hand out bible's.

the streets in this city are full of drunks & drug addicts & even though the police try their best they cant be everywhere.

this year "2013" there have been at least 2 rapes within walking distance of our home. both were at locations that erin &i frequent. Since this i now even more than before watch everyone thats "just hangiong out".

trevon martin was not walking on the sidewalk or the curb he was tresspassing where he should not be & that opened up the possibility that he was caseing houses. i see this shit everyday.

trevon martin did not tell mr. zimmerman he lived there and was on his way home to his fathers house. he did not call 911 to report he was being "stalked" he deliberatly avoided mr zimmerman. when zimmerman confronted him trevon martin attacked him.

neither one of them acted with any responsibilty or reason.

the only fact that makes any difference is that trevon martin attacked mr zimmerman. then mr zimmerman defended himself.

this should never have gone to court and if not for the tired old race card it would not have.

its a political prosecution plain and simple.

I am glad to see you say that Zim did not act with any responsibility or reason. I agree. Since this is the case. And for the sake of conversation we can say (as you did) that both acted without responsibility or reason and one is dead, what should we do with the other?

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Charles

It's not.

Much like smashing someone's nose and continuing to pummel them in the face once you have them down isn't legal either.

Chas

Do you think for a minute Trevon would of stayed around if he knew Zippy had a gun? Once Zippy choose to continue after being told not to he became the aggressor. He had no reason other then wanting to other then being a bad @$$ or hero in his own mind.

Under your rules of law, I could shoot you after seeing your concealed weapon bulge because was now scared?


Barney

[bobabode]

Yep - well said, Noone.

[noonereal]

To my mind, any adult has an obligation to look after and take of any child in our society when they are alone.

Zim did the exact opposite. He made this kid fearful then slaughtered him.

These are the fact.

I get it that at some point Zim became "fearful," heck no one wants a black eye but given his actions that night what would you do with him if you were KIng?

[stereocuuple]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I am glad to see you say that Zim did not act with any responsibility or reason. I agree. Since this is the case. And for the sake of conversation we can say (as you did) that both acted without responsibility or reason and one is dead, what should we do with the other?

the answer is simple. Nothing.

Mr Zimmerman should have made available to him the same resources and treatment that any law enforcement officer gets after being involved in a shooting. after that has taken place a report would be made to the police and if found emotionally competent his firearm should be returned.