Zimmerman trial starts today.

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Originally Posted by stereocuuple

i have been watching this thread & i am just sickened by what i have read.

i dont give a fuck what liberal coward gun laws any damn government makes. if someone (black, white or fucking martain) punches me in the face im gonna put ten rounds right in their face and chest.

i will stand my ground because that is my right & because i dont expect anyone else to do what im not willing to do.

It isn't nearly as simple as you are interpreting it to be, SC. The wife and I were just discussing this and she observed that Zimmerman could have easily defused this whole situation by simply answering the kids question, "Why are you following me?", when asked. Instead of telling Trayvon Martin that he was a 'Neighborhood Watch' volunteer and asking the kid if he lived there, like any reasonable person would, he didn't answer and he continued following him.

The kid then chose to head where George couldn't follow in his vehicle (retreating from confrontation, IMO) and George exited his vehicle against the LEO's expressed opinion.

Try putting yourself into the 17 year olds shoes, he thought that Zimmerman was stalking him and more than likely thought he was standing his own ground but we will never know that for sure because George put a 9mm hollowpoint through his heart.

May I ask, what specifically are you sickened by in this thread?

[stereocuuple]

im sickened by the armchair jury & online drumhead trial that Zimmerman is being subjected to hear.

erin & I live in the inner city and we see criminals everyday here. they are not always commiting a crime but you can bet they aint hanging out in the alley or under the "L" overpasses to hand out bible's.

the streets in this city are full of drunks & drug addicts & even though the police try their best they cant be everywhere.

this year "2013" there have been at least 2 rapes within walking distance of our home. both were at locations that erin &i frequent. Since this i now even more than before watch everyone thats "just hangiong out".

trevon martin was not walking on the sidewalk or the curb he was tresspassing where he should not be & that opened up the possibility that he was caseing houses. i see this shit everyday.

trevon martin did not tell mr. zimmerman he lived there and was on his way home to his fathers house. he did not call 911 to report he was being "stalked" he deliberatly avoided mr zimmerman. when zimmerman confronted him trevon martin attacked him.

neither one of them acted with any responsibilty or reason.

the only fact that makes any difference is that trevon martin attacked mr zimmerman. then mr zimmerman defended himself.

this should never have gone to court and if not for the tired old race card it would not have.

its a political prosecution plain and simple.

[Wasillaguy]

As I understand it, the question was "Do you have a problem?" or "What's your problem?" or something like that, and Zimmerman did answer him.
Not that he was under any obligation to answer him. Nor would a lack of response have been justification for assaulting someone.

[stereocuuple]

Originally Posted by bobabode

The kid then chose to head where George couldn't follow in his vehicle (retreating from confrontation, IMO) and George exited his vehicle against the LEO's expressed opinion.


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FYI a 311 dispacher is not a law enforcement officer.

also "retreating from confrontation" in my mind is the same in this case as avoiding investagation or arrest.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

As I understand it, the question was "Do you have a problem?" or "What's your problem?" or something like that, and Zimmerman did answer him.
Not that he was under any obligation to answer him. Nor would a lack of response have been justification for assaulting someone.

Hiya, Was. Any silvers, yet. I've got some bagels and cream cheese waiting.

That conversation took place after Zippy exited his car. Before that, the kid walked up to George's vehicle and asked "Why are you following me?" George didn't even bother to identify himself as a neighborhood watch volunteer which would have ended this whole fiasco and Trayvon would be deciding who to take to the prom instead of dead.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by stereocuuple

FYI a 311 dispacher is not a law enforcement officer.

also "retreating from confrontation" in my mind is the same in this case as avoiding investagation or arrest.

Even if the dispatcher had been a LEO, they did not instruct him, nor did they express opinion. The dispatcher simply informed him that law enforcement did not need him to follow Trayvon. There was no "opinion" expressed one way or the other.

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Hiya, Was. Any silvers, yet. I've got some bagels and cream cheese waiting.

That conversation took place after Zippy exited his car. Before that, the kid walked up to George's vehicle and asked "Why are you following me?" George didn't even bother to identify himself as a neighborhood watch volunteer which would have ended this whole fiasco and Trayvon would be deciding who to take to the prom instead of dead.

The lying girl says he asked that question.
Even if the question was asked, Zimmerman was under no obligation to answer, and not getting an answer does not justify assault. If it did, we could beat the crap out of Lois Lerner and all the others.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by stereocuuple

FYI a 311 dispacher is not a law enforcement officer.

also "retreating from confrontation" in my mind is the same in this case as avoiding investagation or arrest.

I don't follow, George wasn't authorized to investigate and or arrest anyone. Barbara posted a link to the DOJ and NSA (National Sheriffs Association) Neighborhood Watch guidelines, which I quoted a page or two back. Check it out.

You opined that Martin was trespassing which is wrong. The kid was in the common area of the HOA property exercising his legal right to be there and it's already been proven that Trayvon thought he was being stalked by an unidentified "creepy assed cracker."

I really hope that Zimmerman takes the stand to explain himself and his actions which led up to this tragedy.

Let's agree to disagree, I wish all the best to you and Erin. Chi-town is a remarkable city and receives far too much undeserved bad press these days for political reasons, IMO. Heck, you have a U-Boat on display! How cool is that?

[Oerets]

Facts not in dispute. Zippy was armed Trevon was not. Zippy followed Trevon for a while. Was told not to by an official on the phone. Told they would handle it. Continued to follow or chase Trevon.

Now there is only one person who can tell the tale further. Because the other one is dead.

For me after being told to stand down stand your ground went out the window. No where does zippy say he was leaving the scene when Trevon attacked him right?


So the argument for justifiable stand your ground now includes causing a fight when armed with an unarmed person is OK? Because being armed does give a sense of power over the unarmed.



Barney

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Zimmerman will not be taking the stand. Maybe he is a wimp?