Zimmerman trial starts today.

[barbara]

Finn, there is no doubt that the media went nuts with this story.... But then, isn't that what the media does to earn their pay check...?

Nothing the media can say or do negates the fact that Zimmerman was told by law enforcement not to follow the kid and he did so anyway.

[whell]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I do agree, I don't think I could be on jury as I would never place the technicality of the law over the proper execution of justice.

I guess that says it all. When "the proper the execution of justice" becomes a subjective, morally relative endeavor, we're all in trouble.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Charles

If Zimmerman is guilty, I hope he doesn't walk.

We know HIS story, is he guilty? If so, of what?

It IS possible that he was simply trying to do the right thing, and notify the police to a suspicious character...I believe he does live in a high crime area. He might possibly be no more than a good neighbor.

The right thing? This guy set a FL state record for reporting suspicious characters, all black men.

Besides, he already had walked. The incident was investigated by the local authorities and no charges were brought forth.

Yes, it seems without the panthers he would have been allowed to pull a fast one. The incident was no investigated, that was a big part of the uproar.

Then the DOJ got involved, and the media got involved, and Rev Al, and every other swinging dick and his dog. We were shown the file photo of Trayvon whenever he was 12 yrs old several times a day. He was an angel, and Zimmerman was a cold blooded child killer.

Thank God someone responded to the dad's efforts to gain attention for his son's needless slaughter.

Then the real pictures came out, the one's when he was 17 and looked like a thug. "No limit Nigga", isn't that what he called himself?

I have seen no photos of him looking like a thug BTW, what does one look like? Oh yeah, they look like young black men.

And the media, once they figured out that Zimmerman wasn't REALLY white, began calling him a "white hispanic".

Are you suggesting that because he is Hispanic he is not racist and or did not profile?

While you firmly believe that Zimmerman was deliberate, which I assume means that he killed Martin on purpose...I tend to suspect that he was just trying to do the right thing, and the situation deteriorated. All in all, a pretty decent fellow at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Zim has an inferiority complex that caused this killing. This guy is too consumed with his own perceived inadequacies to do the "right thing."

And I STRONGLY dislike how this has become a political and media driven circus created to stir up animosity before the election and make some money on the side. And I detest show trials, which is all that this is. And, as Finn pointed out, a proxy fight over gun control.

I don't know why you call it a circus but indeed this has drawn attention to the insane gun laws once again.

I can understand you side's point, if not for outside intervention a cold blooded killer would walk free. I tend to think that Zimmerman conducted himself in a manner as any other rational person would have under the same circumstances. But we weren't there, so let's see how the trial plays out.

How is it rational to carry a concealed weapon, stalk a child, call the police incessantly at the sight of any young black man and shoot a child because he is slapping you around...???

Honest, there is nothing rational about him. The guy even gained over 100 pounds in a year! Hint, that is not normal. It is extreme as were his actions in regards to this and his constant patrolling and calling.

But anyway you look at it, the government & media have whacked the hornet's nest with their big stick, and have run off and left the citizens to deal with the aftereffects.

Nonsense, IMHO.

And if the cities do go up in flames due to their meddling, the government can use this as an excuse to further suppress our rights, and the talking heads will run their yaps until they develop laryngitis.

I am not concerned.

At times, I get irritated at the arguments over this trial, but what infuriated me is that, once again, we're being led down the prim rose path...and everyone is too busy fighting with one another as to see how we are, once again, being manipulated.

So we should not fight back at injustice?

There are where my concerns lie. Along with a desire to see everyone involved in this incident be treated fairly...although we're long past that.

Yes but this trial helps to restore that fairness.

Well, there it is. I've done my best to not only explain my viewpoints, but to craft a rational argument as to why I have them. And since I've done this several times, I'll not be doing it again...it's a lot of work.

Chas

Seems to me your argument is rationalizing a situation to fit your world view.
(not that we all don't do that)

I guess I should have just said, "I disagree" but I always over talk.

[bobabode]

Pretty compelling evidence today.

IMO, O'Mara screwed the pooch when he put Trayvon's dad, Tracey Martin on the stand and tried to put words in his mouth. De La Rionda's cross was pretty good and Tracey was able to contradict the opinion of the investigating officer who claimed that Tracey did not recognize his son's voice in the background of the Lauer 911 call.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Pretty compelling evidence today.

IMO, O'Mara screwed the pooch when he put Trayvon's dad, Tracey Martin on the stand and tried to put words in his mouth. De La Rionda's cross was pretty good and Tracey was able to contradict the opinion of the investigating officer who claimed that Tracey did not recognize his son's voice in the background of the Lauer 911 call.

I don't think this case is much about evidence. Not much is in dispute.

This case is more a cultural debate. Is it OK to "over protect" oneself to the point of causing the murder of an innocent or is it insane to allow such over reach?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I don't think this case is much about evidence. Not much is in dispute.

This case is more a cultural debate. Is it OK to "over protect" oneself to the point of causing the murder of an innocent or is it insane to allow such over reach?

I'll go with door number two. Zimmerman is criminally insane and should be locked up for the rest of his unnatural life. I probably differ from most and think he should drop kicked in to the general population at Raiford State Penitentiary and left to his own devices. I'm a little cruel & heartless that way.

Re reading my previous words, I've come to the realization (again) that I need to get the hell outta Orange county, Ca. This place is making me mean. Must be from having Rohrabacher and the wacked out Teabaggers running the show around here. Maybe Whell will help me pack up my audio junk so I can move to the Peoples Republic of Oregone....?

[Rajoo]

What happened with the DOJ investigation of Sanford PD except the police chief being fired soon after this incident?

[icenine]

What you guys do not drive around with safetyless semi-automatic weapons in your back pockets and stop all black guys you see in the neighborhood? Isn't that normal?

here is a normal person:
Hello 911?
Yes Citizen?
There is a guy acting funny in my neighborhood. I am scared he might be a criminal.
Where is he? Ok we have the address. We will send the unit right over. Do not get involved we will take care of it. Thank-you
Thank you have a nice day I will continue to the store.

Anybody who wants what Zimmerman did to be the new normal is cracked in the brain. This may be a case where as Dickens said "the law is an ass". I am sure if it was a black guy who had shot a white teenager SYG would have been instantly applied to the situation by the cops.

[bobabode]

Everyone keeps saying that Zippy was the Neighborhood Watch commander but the HOA (the rightful authority in the community) denies it. That's where I get the opinion that this was simply a vigilante action on the part of Zimmerman and maybe those loyal friends of his who got up on the stand today are his neighbors who were in on it?
Anyone got a link as to how neighborhood watch organizations are constituted and how they are supposed to conduct themselves? Please no links to the KKK...

[icenine]

Well Bob most of them are local community groups so a standardized SOP (Standard Operating Procedures for you non-military types) probably does not exist. However the operative word is WATCH.

Zimmerman perhaps belonged to the Neighborhood Interdiction Squad.