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07-04-2013, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles
Tek 9's used to be sold in a semiautomatic version. But since they fired from an open bolt damn near anyone with two brain cells and a bastard file could convert one to full auto.
I suppose you have a point, it could be argued that Martin was not only standing his ground, but taking additional real estate while defending himself against a perceived deadly threat. Of course, at that point it could be argued that Zimmerman was also in fear of his life and was simply exercising his right to self defense.
SYG doesn't apply to Zimmerman in this case, since he was lying on the ground getting his head busted.
Another point I've considered bringing up is what about poor Zippy, what about HIS rights?
But I don't think I'll pursue that line of reasoning, for fear of only further inflaming the passions of the current lynch mob.
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OK, So I stalk you, tell you I'm not stalking you, you move to where I cannot stalk you for your own safety so I come to that point to stalk you farther and you decide you need to defend yourself at this point as you have tried to avoid me but I persisted. What are my rights at this point? DO I have the right to kill you because I forced you to defend yourself?
Have you looked at picks of Zimmerman...he was far from having his head bashed in. Maybe a broken nose and a few very small scrapes.
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07-04-2013, 03:36 PM
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Martin was armed................................
WITH A SIDEWALK?
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07-04-2013, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
Martin was armed................................
WITH A SIDEWALK?
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WTF IS THAT? Okay, I've heard enough of this bullshit. If Zimmerman walks something is seriously wrong. I mean it. This is downright silly. He follows a guy who is talking on his cell phone and sipping iced tea down the street, around a corner, across a front yard around to the back and then claims HE WAS ATTACKED? With a sidewalk?
Oh,-come -on.
Dave
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07-04-2013, 03:41 PM
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I think this is what the case is really about:
We let citizens buy and purchase all manner of semi-automatic weapons with virtually no regulation.
Then we assuage this madness by saying look-people kill people not guns. Then we throw those that use the weapons we let them buy into the Correctional system so as to feel better about ourselves. Look we threw the asshole in jail we all say.
Of course murderers should be put in jail. But I see this case as a new trend...hey we do not have to put this guy in jail he was standing his ground. Martin is a sympathetic victim...young, obviously innocent of any crime, and a guilty of being black. We as a nation felt sorry for him and justly demanded a trial. However if Zimmerman had shot a white middle aged man in the same fashion, or another Latino his own age.....he might be at home drinking beers on the 4th of July. He was just standing his ground ...and the murder (no witnesses so we took Zimmerman's word) would be unpunished.
I do not want that sort of trend. I do not want increasingly armed citizens thinking they can take the law into their own hands and then claim oh I was standing my ground.
I do not want people walking around with Tek 9s.....do you? fully automatic or not.
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07-04-2013, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
WTF IS THAT? Okay, I've heard enough of this bullshit. If Zimmerman walks something is seriously wrong.
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If he walks it will means open season on black youth across this country.
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07-04-2013, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by noonereal
If he walks it will means open season on black youth across this country.
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"Paranoia will destroy ya." Ray Davies.
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07-04-2013, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueStreak
WTF IS THAT? . If Zimmerman walks something is seriously wrong. I mean it.
Oh,-come -on.
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Don't forget....OJ got away with it and so did that mom, Casey Anthony. Sometimes justice is not found in the courtroom.
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07-04-2013, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by whell
"Paranoia will destroy ya." Ray Davies.
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Careful, he might let you chase him down and then attack you with a sidewalk.
This crap is just getting utterly bizarre.
Dave
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07-04-2013, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by barbara
Don't forget....OJ got away with it and so did that mom, Casey Anthony. Sometimes justice is not found in the courtroom.
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Sadly, I have a feeling it isn't going to be served this time either. And, that truly is a sad thing. I'm watching our country devolve into lawlessness by the day.
Dave
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07-04-2013, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles
Another point I've considered bringing up is what about poor Zippy, what about HIS rights?
But I don't think I'll pursue that line of reasoning, for fear of being unable to make a rational case.
Chas
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Fixed it for you.
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