Zimmerman trial starts today.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Charles

So I'm an epic ass hat because I don't agree that Zimmerman created the situation.

Chas

Then, who did? If someone is running from you, you are not being attacked. Quite the opposite.

Dave

[Oerets]

Would it of been different if a Police officer were to replace Zippy? O wait the officer would of ID himself. But then again did one not state in the trial they would of left him alone?



Barney

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

Yes we know what happened a guy stopped his car got out and started stalking a kid.





Yes we know what happened a man killed a teenager. One armed with skittles.
The reason why I think so many here are upset about this topic is that this event is an uncomfortable truth about the Second Amendment.

Most of us will buy a weapon....go hunting, have it in our house,etc. Most of us will be responsible and lock it away when not using it and teach our children about the responsibility of fire arms.

However there is going to be a small percentage of people who will abuse this right to the point of taking other people's lives. Happens all the time here in America.

At what point does my right to buy a weapon start to be paid in blood by innocent persons? I can buy an AR-15 and put it on my wall and shoot it at the range on weekends. I will never hurt a fly. But in the back of my mind I would be thinking that those kids in Connecticut paid a price for me to have that weapon.

Trevor Martin paid a price too....he did not start the incident. Perhaps he was just defending himself..standing his ground when he started to push back against a wannabe cop who had a hard on carrying a Tek-9 in his pocket. Whatever the case my ability to freely purchase and carry a weapon was paid for by Martin. And others killed everyday by weapons.

I do not hate guns....but I am really getting concerned about a country that is casually becoming armed and dangerous. Collateral damage is just another polite way of saying that no one I loved got killed today.

I guess what I am really trying to say is best said in an old science fiction story by Ursula K. Lequin. I think it won the Hugo.

http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/du...nts.omelas.pdf

Originally Posted by Charles

Two peas in a pod.

Anyone wish to make it three?

Chas

Three.

Dave

[bobabode]

You've obviously been watching some of the trial, Chas. So, how did Martin cause himself to be shot to death?

[merrylander]

Stand your ground is simply a license for murder as the only witness is the shooter

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

So...who did create the situation in your opinion? You say it was not Zimmerman so that only leaves one other.

What exactly did the young black man do to create the situation, in your opinion?

To the best of my understanding, Zimmerman had something to do with the neighborhood watch...I believe he's been referred to as a "commander"...whatever that is.

And also, to the best of my understanding, there had been several burglaries in the neighborhood, perhaps some other crimes as well.

Once again, to the best of my understanding, Zimmerman thought Martin was acting in a suspicious nature, and left his vehicle to ascertain Martin's whereabouts while he was speaking to 9-11. He had not made contact with Martin whenever he was returning to his vehicle.

At this point he was approached by Martin, who asked Zimmerman if he had a problem, Zimmerman replied no, after which Martin said, "Now you do" and began assaulting Zimmerman.

Zimmerman had broken no laws, had not engaged Martin, and was leaving the scene whenever Martin engaged him.

Now all of this is to the best of my knowledge.

Perhaps Zimmerman should have never left his vehicle. Then again, Martin certainly could have handled the situation better. Physically assaulting someone isn't conducive to opening a dialogue.

Zimmerman had broken no laws. While being a member of a neighborhood watch may make you a pain in the ass, it's not illegal.

And while no one likes to answer to some nosey rinky dink, you can't just assault them. And continue to assault them.

That is against the law.

Now these are simply the conclusions I have drawn. And I could very well be wrong. I was not there.

And I certainly don't mind if someone disagrees with me. I would just as soon not be ridiculed and insulted for offering a different opinion, but if anyone considers that type of behavior to somehow pass for a rational argument, feel free to do so.

I've grown accustomed to boorish behavior, and sometimes engage in it myself.

Since you asked, there it is.

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Three.

Dave

Hey, you were #2. Not fair trying to vote twice.

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by bobabode

You've obviously been watching some of the trial, Chas. So, how did Martin cause himself to be shot to death?

I doubt if I've seen even five minutes of the trial. I've read on and off about it over the last year.

And Martin caused himself to be shot by first engaging, and then assaulting someone.

You know, he could have called 9-11 as well, and told THEM that he was being followed by some creepy assed cracker. Or since he had already lost Zimmerman, he could have simply went home.

But that's not what he did, is it?

Chas

[bobabode]

Grumble, grumble-belch. Three....

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Charles

I doubt if I've seen even five minutes of the trial. I've read on and off about it over the last year.

And Martin caused himself to be shot by first engaging, and then assaulting someone.

You know, he could have called 9-11 as well, and told THEM that he was being followed by some creepy assed cracker. Or since he had already lost Zimmerman, he could have simply went home.

But that's not what he did, is it?

Chas

Bull, Chas. He was hiding in some non existent bushes from what he assumed was a creepy assed cracker pervert. Zippy stalked him down and against the advice of the LEO on the non-emergency line he exited his vehicle to follow the kid. He said to get an address...yeh, right, the self appointed neighborhood watch commander didn't know where he was? His story is so full of holes by his own words recorded on tape by the police and his little appearance with Hannity.

You oughta watch the trial, Zippy is a lyin' sack of chit murderer. Hell, you've met some of those before when you were a screw. No offense