Zimmerman trial starts today.

[icenine]

This guy is driving to the store, sees a black person (legally still a child) walking, stops his car jumps out and begins chasing the pedestrian and ultimately kills the person he is stalking. That is what happened.

Now what sort of normal person would do such a thing? Who gets out of their car and starts chasing pedestrians? Only a wacko.

Now I guess it is possible Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew, and (entirely his own fault by the way) found himself lying under Martin and became afraid that Martin might kill him and thus shot him. Although if you were pinned by Martin would it not be hard to shoot him?I do not know..

I think Zimmerman gained weight to look like a soft chipmunk ...if you look at the videos of when the police brought him to the station he is much more leaner and seems much more sinister. I think Martin was fighting for his life and no wonder Zimmerman was beat up and contused. I think the term creepy to characterize Zimmerman is on point.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by Oerets

One thought for all the "Stand Your Ground" advocates. Could not the same argument be made for the use of Nuclear or Chemical weapon by a country?




Barney

Countries do not go to jail so it is a moot point.

Since we are the only nation to have used a nuclear weapon were we standing our ground?
If I was Truman I would much rather have the citizens of the enemy nation on my conscience rather than the deaths of maybe 100,000 American troops......especially if I had the weapon to save them from a costly amphibious assault on the main islands of Japan in the first place.

I am not a stand your ground advocate by the way. I am sure Assad in Syria believes he is standing his ground. I am sure if he had nuclear weapons he would have used them on his own cities.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by icenine

Countries do not go to jail so it is a moot point.

Since we are the only nation to have used a nuclear weapon were we standing our ground?
If I was Truman I would much rather have the citizens of the enemy nation on my conscious rather than the deaths of maybe 100,000 American troops......especially if I had the weapon to save from a costly amphibious assault on the main islands of Japan in the first place.

I am not a stand your ground advocate by the way. I am sure Assad in Syria believes he is standing his ground. I am sure if he had nuclear weapons he would have used them on his own cities.

We now have innumerable countries with weapons that can cause horrific results. North Korea and Iran along with Syria to name just a few. Now what do you think the rest of the world would do if lets say North Korea sent a nuke to Japan using the Stand your ground excuse?


Barney

[icenine]

I am not sure we would nuke North Korea, but we would most assuredly begin a land invasion, most likely with us coming from the South and the Chinese from the North. Maybe we would not nuke them (or maybe the Chinese would for us? I do not know) but we would take him out of power.

We ourselves may not want to be on record as the only nation to use nuclear weapons against a nation of a different race twice....

The Chinese trade with South Korea is much larger than their commerce with the North Koreans. I am sure that China does not want them to do something stupid like send a nuke toward Japan.

I am with you I do not want stand your ground applied internationally unless a nation has to defend itself from unlawful acts of war.

[BlueStreak]

Good grief. SYG between nations? Are you two passing a joint between you?

After reading the 911 call transcripts I have a very hard time believing Zimmermans claims of self defense. My point? If someone is running from you....you are NOT the one being attacked. It is also unlikely that the person running from you is armed.

Add to that the recorded statements; "These A**holes always get away with it." and "It's a black male and he's headed towards me." That just kinda smells a little funny. You know, like someone was trying to justify his actions before they occurred.

Black male, after dark and in the rain, holding "something" (Skittles and iced tea) in his hand.---Must be up to no good!

"...coming towards me."---Ooooo, Ooooo, I'm bein' attacked!

"Now he's running from me."---Musta done something wrong!

Gotta stop this fiend before he kills someone with that bag of Skittles, you dick?

Yeah, okay George. So how long have you been nursing your little Harry Callahan fantasy?

Dave

[Oerets]

On the SYG law being used as a defense concept between countries. I was trying to show how absurd it is IMHO. We all, I hope want to live in a civil society were thought and reason win out. Not the wild wild west were the rule of law is a fast gun. Where one can attack with deadly force at a poorly perceived threat.

I know and see gun owners who should not carry. They exhibit the aggressiveness and unsafe practices shown by zippy. But in my state it is almost as easy to get a permit as a driver license. Getting registered to vote is as hard, just not as expensive because it is free for now.

BTW we have a standoff last week in my neck of the woods. Over twelve hours swat teams, helicopters and the likes. Never once got a gun ready. Figured the pro's had it handled.

Barney

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Good grief. SYG between nations? Are you two passing a joint between you?

After reading the 911 call transcripts I have a very hard time believing Zimmermans claims of self defense. My point? If someone is running from you....you are NOT the one being attacked. It is also unlikely that the person running from you is armed.

Add to that the recorded statements; "These A**holes always get away with it." and "It's a black male and he's headed towards me." That just kinda smells a little funny. You know, like someone was trying to justify his actions before they occurred.

Black male, after dark and in the rain, holding "something" (Skittles and iced tea) in his hand.---Must be up to no good!

"...coming towards me."---Ooooo, Ooooo, I'm bein' attacked!

"Now he's running from me."---Musta done something wrong!

Gotta stop this fiend before he kills someone with that bag of Skittles, you dick?

Yeah, okay George. So how long have you been nursing your little Harry Callahan fantasy?

Dave

First post I read from you in months and I nearly pissed myself from laughing so hard! Some things never change.
As usual, in addition to your posts being entertaining they are spot on.

Good stuff!

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Charles

In Missouri, it's legal to shoot some sumbitch who's trying to kill you.

Not if he's trying to kill you because you conveyed the potential for great bodily harm.

Originally Posted by Charles

And it's also illegal to physically assault someone, unless in defense.

If you convey the potential for bodily harm, anything I do to prevent it is "in defense."

Originally Posted by Charles

So I doubt it.

Chas

I don't.

We've been over this, and the legality, but what it distills to is if you initiate situational instability, you're responsible for the chaos.

The bag on this is held by Zimmerman, no one else.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Oerets

On the SYG law being used as a defense concept between countries. I was trying to show how absurd it is IMHO. We all, I hope want to live in a civil society were thought and reason win out. Not the wild wild west were the rule of law is a fast gun. Where one can attack with deadly force at a poorly perceived threat.

I know and see gun owners who should not carry. They exhibit the aggressiveness and unsafe practices shown by zippy. But in my state it is almost as easy to get a permit as a driver license. Getting registered to vote is as hard, just not as expensive because it is free for now.

BTW we have a standoff last week in my neck of the woods. Over twelve hours swat teams, helicopters and the likes. Never once got a gun ready. Figured the pro's had it handled.

Barney

I see. Thanks for the clarification.

I took the BlueStreak to have her detailed on Friday. There was an older gentleman maybe in his '70s, who kept staring at me the whole time I was in the waiting room. Just as I was about to inquire as to what his problem was, they called his name as his car was ready. He stood and walked to the door. There was a gun tucked into his waistband in the small of his back.

Call me paranoid, but it gave me a bit of a chill. The scene was creepy as hell.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Not if he's trying to kill you because you conveyed the potential for great bodily harm.



If you convey the potential for bodily harm, anything I do to prevent it is "in defense."



I don't.

We've been over this, and the legality, but what it distills to is if you initiate situational instability, you're responsible for the chaos.

The bag on this is held by Zimmerman, no one else.

Precisely.

Dave