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[ebacon]

Originally Posted by icenine

I do not know anything really about Rand, but I sort of assumed she was anti-communist since all of these people like Paul Ryan love her.....and in Madmen (the tv show) the CEO of the advertising firm all the characters work in has Atlas Shrugged in his office.

She said she was anti-communist, but nothing she did would suggest that's true. For example the link above cites her newsletter where she railed against Reagan and supported labor -- labor in that context means working with the hands.

The communist movement is a labor movement. Since the US is generally a capitalist nation she could not help implement communism by saying that's what she was doing. Instead she had to be subversive.

Remember that the Communist manifesto provides a basic roadmap to communism.

1) Create a great divide between the haves and have nots.
2) Make them fight each other
3) Communism steps in to save the day

Ayn Rand was instrumental in step 1). The neocons, with their roots in the radical left, are working on step 2).

There is some debate as to whether step 3) is done. It depends on whether one considers the NYC/DC i.e. corporate/government relationship, a master over wealth allocation in the nation. I think they are and that we are close enough to being communists to call it that. The neocons would take it further.

[icenine]

Sorry to go way off topic but could not help quoting this section from Wikipedia on how reviewers were trying to out do each other in bashing Atlas Shrugged when it came out. Quote:

Atlas Shrugged received positive reviews from a few publications, including praise from the noted book reviewer John Chamberlain,[139] but Rand scholar Mimi Reisel Gladstein later wrote that "reviewers seemed to vie with each other in a contest to devise the cleverest put-downs", calling it "execrable claptrap" and "a nightmare"; they said it was "written out of hate" and showed "remorseless hectoring and prolixity".[5] Author Flannery O'Connor wrote in a letter to a friend that "The fiction of Ayn Rand is as low as you can get re fiction. I hope you picked it up off the floor of the subway and threw it in the nearest garbage pail.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by ebacon

She said she was anti-communist, but nothing she did would suggest that's true. For example the link above cites her newsletter where she railed against Reagan and supported labor -- labor in that context means working with the hands.

The communist movement is a labor movement. Since the US is generally a capitalist nation she could not help implement communism by saying that's what she was doing. Instead she had to be subversive.

Remember that the Communist manifesto provides a basic roadmap to communism.

1) Create a great divide between the haves and have nots.
2) Make them fight each other
3) Communism steps in to save the day

Ayn Rand was instrumental in step 1). The neocons, with their roots in the radical left, are working on step 2).

There is some debate as to whether step 3) is done. It depends on whether one considers the NYC/DC i.e. corporate/government relationship, a master over wealth allocation in the nation. I think they are and that we are close enough to being communists to call it that. The neocons would take it further.

So you see her as double agent. I do not agree with everything you say Ebacon but you do make one think about the world in different ways....

I have always seen communism as sort of way for a few to fool the many, as in Animal Farm where everyone is equal but some are more equal than others....of course the same outcome can occur from extreme neo-conservatism or fascism

[ebacon]

I don't see her as a double agent at all. I see her as a Soviet agent plain as day. Her goal was to dissolve the glue that holds America together, namely local religions and the work ethic.

Note that she "professed" atheism and rewarding mind work over labor. She tried to cut America's heart out and turn us into a bunch of conniving little bastards that fight over every last buck.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by ebacon

I don't see her as a double agent at all. I see her as a Soviet agent plain as day. Her goal was to dissolve the glue that holds America together, namely local religions and the work ethic.

Note that she "professed" atheism and rewarding mind work over labor. She tried to cut America's heart out and turn us into a bunch of conniving little bastards that fight over every last buck.

I see how we are ending up fighting over every last buck...however whether she is as influential as people might suspect is the question. Which if true would be downright scary.
I can go to the Mall right now and ask everyone who Ayn Rand is; I bet I may find one or two people out of 500.

We could be destroyed by enemy we don't even know is what I am trying to say.

[ebacon]

The average Joe probably has never heard of her. I learned about her when I started hanging out on the aviation board. The moneyed people certainly know who she is. She cozied up to Alan Greenspan and damn near ran the nation's fiscal and monetary policy vicariously through him. He carried on her ideas for about fifteen years after she died.

I think it's a big cultural war. The neocons are primarily a Jewish organization. They have some kind of beef with the Russians. I don't know all the history there. The Russians flanked them with Ayn Rand. That's the best I can gather from my perspective.

[bobabode]

I think they're all Psyclos. Ooops, wrong author. Damn Scientologists have me confused....

[ebacon]

You will be assimilated!

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by ebacon

You will be assimilated!

I wouldn't hit that...

[CarlV]

So anyway, quote from todays brainwashing.

NRA First Vice President Jim Porter told members that the background-check proposal would have made criminals out of honest gun owners.

"Selling a gun to a good neighbor, just like you would do today, becomes a felony, and the government takes your guns," he said.

This sounds like a Twilight Zone episode.

"How many Bostonians wished they had a gun two weeks ago?" LaPierre asked in a speech at the National Rifle Association's annual convention in Houston.

"Residents were imprisoned behind the locked doors of their own home, a terrorist with bombs and guns just outside," LaPierre said, referring to the police search in the Boston suburb of Watertown.

Reiterating a theme from earlier speakers, he said law-abiding gun owners were under attack through government moves to control gun ownership, despite the need for self-protection.

"Lying in wait right now is a terrorist, a deranged school shooter, a kidnapper, a rapist, a murderer, waiting and planning and plotting in every community across our country, lying in wait right now," LaPierre said.

"No amount of political schemes, congressional legislation, presidential commissions or media round tables will ever change that inevitable reality."

Boo, Obama's coming for your guns. Buy some more of mine and more cases of bullets too.


Carl