The only way to stop a . . .

[piece-itpete]

Left or right the arguments always end up where they started

The much desired ban wouldn't change anything in this thread

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by bobabode

All clear! I finished roto rootering an hour ago. I stole all of yer ammo, tho.

LOL! Thanks. I think



Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by icenine

'They' can't explain it....
I am not for banning weapons with the exception of semi-automatic assault rifles and large magazines. And background checks.

'Those' guys all act like it is the end of civilization.

Fixed that for ya, Robbin.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Fixed that for ya, Robbin.

thanks!

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by icenine

thanks!

Just being a good little do-bee.

Where the hell is Chas?

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Left or right the arguments always end up where they started

The much desired ban wouldn't change anything in this thread

Pete

You forgot the background checks.

And since the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, licensed gun dealers -- called FFLs or Federal Firearms License holders -- are required by the ATF to also have gun purchasers to fill out a federal Form 4473, which allows law enforcement officials to trace guns to their original purchasers.

That document -- which contains the name, address, date of birth, copy of ID, NICS background check transaction number and model and serial number of the gun purchased -- must be retained by the dealer for 20 years and carries with it the same federal privacy restrictions as a federal tax return.

Some opponents of changes to background checks cite the ineffectiveness of the current system as a reason not to expand it.

The current system cannot force states to share all of their records with the NICS database, especially ones regarding mental health. This lack of records allows some people with mental issues to legally purchase guns.

Seung-Hui Cho, the shooter in the Virginia Tech massacre in 2007, had been declared mentally ill by a judge two years before he murdered 32 people. But Cho had gone through a background check and been cleared.

Background checks would impose a minor burden on gun transactions, but more importantly, limit the size of the market (and therefore, profits) in two ways.

The direct loss of profit comes because closing the current gaping loophole in the background check system will shut off sales to criminals and the mentally ill who are effectively free to buy all the guns they want at gun shows and through private transactions.

But there is also an indirect loss of profit: Cutting off sales to the mentally ill and criminals will reduce crime and thereby reduce the public's demand for guns for self-protection.

The gun manufacturers saw gun sales plummet during the dark days of the Clinton administration when crime dropped sharply every year. The 42% drop in the murder rate from 1993 to 2000 was a nightmare for gun sellers. Nothing scares the NRA as much as a sense of calm and safety in the public.

Carl


http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/10/politi...ner/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/10/opinio...ground-checks#

[piece-itpete]

Background checks might make a difference in 100 years or so...

That dip in murder rates also coincided with a large rise of CCW.

Pete

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Background checks might make a difference in 100 years or so...



Pete

Please share your source if that is not just your opinion.


Carl

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Background checks might make a difference in 100 years or so...


Pete

Better late than never.

Dave

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Was, there have been about 30,000 gun deaths per year for the past 5 years running.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_g..._US_every_year

That's the equivalent of ten 9-11 attacks per year. Accordingly, there have been over 100 times as many killed by gun violence in this country than have been killed by terrorists since 9-11. In fact, there have been nearly 2000 times as many people killed by gun violence in the US last year (~30,000) as there have been US citizens killed by terrorism worldwide (17). Yet, we are willing to spend $ trillions and to curtail civil liberties to fight terrorism, but won't even pass a background check for a terrorist who wants to buy a gun at a gunshow or over the Internet. Explain that to me.

"Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day."

Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense With a Gun," 86 The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law[/I]

"Each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives."

According to the National Safety Council