2 year term. Good or bad.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

That would be very strange indeed, if that was indeed what I said

Pete

Here's what I'm getting from all this revisionism of yours.

Roosevelt wanted war from the get-go and was lying when he said otherwise. The proof is in our military build-up prior to 1941. This wasn't merely to help out the British and the Soviets. Neither was it to prepare as best we could for the unthinkable. Rather it was to prepare us for the war that Roosevelt had wanted all along.

Have I got it? Did Roosevelt also convince the Japanese to attack us in Hawaii and Guam? Did he beg Hitler to declare war on us too?

John

[piece-itpete]

No. It's simple. Roosevelt lied about the coming war to get votes.

Pete

[icenine]

Actually Pete,

Churchill was glad that Pearl Harbor happened in that he knew it would bring the US into the conflict. Which means to say if it had not happened Churchill knew he was not going to have us in Europe..or could not count on us. He did not know it was going to happen either.

If Imperial Japan had drawn the line and stopped with attacking the Philippines, and had not attacked Pearl Harbor, there may have been years of American neutrality, however much we were helping Britain notwithstanding.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

No. It's simple. Roosevelt lied about the coming war to get votes.

Pete

Can you document this?

John

[icenine]

From Wikipedia:

Willkie also accused Roosevelt of leaving the nation unprepared for war, but Roosevelt's military buildup and transformation of the nation into the "arsenal of democracy" removed the "unpreparedness" charge as a major issue. Willkie then reversed his approach and charged Roosevelt with secretly planning to take the nation into World War II. This accusation did cut into Roosevelt's support; in response FDR, in a pledge that he would later regret, promised that he would "not send American boys into any foreign wars."

Yeah he said that about not sending American boys into any foreign wars....but of course Pearl Harbor changed all that.


Actions count...not semantics or campaign pledges. I mean did FDR really have any choice after 7 Dec 1941?


Pete your use of the phrase coming war is sort of wrong...the world was at war since 1939.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by icenine

From Wikipedia:

Willkie also accused Roosevelt of leaving the nation unprepared for war, but Roosevelt's military buildup and transformation of the nation into the "arsenal of democracy" removed the "unpreparedness" charge as a major issue. Willkie then reversed his approach and charged Roosevelt with secretly planning to take the nation into World War II. This accusation did cut into Roosevelt's support; in response FDR, in a pledge that he would later regret, promised that he would "not send American boys into any foreign wars."

Yeah he said that about not sending American boys into any foreign wars....but of course Pearl Harbor changed all that.


Actions count...not semantics or campaign pledges. I mean did FDR really have any choice after 7 Dec 1941?


Pete your use of the phrase coming war is sort of wrong...the world was at war since 1939.

Roosevelt never broke that promise either. When a country bombs one of your naval bases on sovereign soil and the next day invades and occupies a second US possession and when a second country declares war on you, the war forced upon you is no longer a "foreign" one.

John

[piece-itpete]

Coming for the US. The great dictatorships have always interested me, and you don't really learn them without learning a lot about ww2.

FDR regarding the coming war reminds me of Obama's 10 months and out BS over Iraq. Anything to get elected.

So we'd have supplied Great Britian with war material and Hitler wouldn't have lifted a finger?

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

FDR regarding the coming war reminds me of Obama's 10 months and out BS over Iraq. Anything to get elected.

We're out, Pete. What's your point?

So we'd have supplied Great Britian with war material and Hitler wouldn't have lifted a finger?

Pete

When Hitler armed Spain and used the Luftwaffe to bomb Republican cities did any other nation respond?

John

[piece-itpete]

Wow, I need a hotkey programmed. FDR knew darn well the war was coming and played up to the isolationists anyway.

What on earth does Spain have to do with the US supplying GB?

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

FDR knew darn well the war was coming and played up to the isolationists anyway.

Where's your proof?

What on earth does Spain have to do with the US supplying GB?

Not much. It does, however, point out the rather problematic nature of declaring war on a country for supporting one's enemy.

Also, there's the unanswerable question of whether, absent Pearl Harbor, Germany would have ever declared war on us. Japan's attack on the US, accompanied as it was by a formal declaration of war, required their Axis partners to sign on.

Would Germany have eventually declared war on us without it essentially being forced upon them by Japan? We'll never know. I tend to doubt it since Germany already had its hands full with Britain and (especially) the Soviet Union. Inviting US to the party would have been, as it proved to be, suicidal.

John