The Grand Bargain? or is it The Grand Swindle?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

No sound here, sorry.

Pete

Then get back to work!

John

[piece-itpete]

Yes sir lol. (Right now I'm on hold)

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

We're Giving Thanks - to the Injuns?

Pete

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving

Fer a smart feller you don't seem to know much about our history...

[piece-itpete]

Our long history of giving thanks to God?

Pete

[ebacon]

In grade school we were taught that Thanksgiving celebrated the Indians teaching the Puritans to live off the land. Apparently they didn't have grains, fowl, bread, or tubers in the old country and were waiting around for rustic job creators to show them what to do before they starved.

Now to see if that is what wiki says . . .

[piece-itpete]

We included the Indians because we were still friendly then (if that's even true!). The feast itself was literally giving thanks to God. Thanks-giving.

It is (was) a long tradition. Here's a nice one: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gwhtml/gw004.html

Pete

[Wasillaguy]

Originally Posted by bobabode

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving

Fer a smart feller you don't seem to know much about our history...

From the wiki you referenced-

"Historically, Thanksgiving had roots in religious and cultural tradition."

What has come to be known as the first Thanksgiving was probably more of a harvest festival. By the time they started calling it Thanksgiving, it was certainly a religious celebration. If you're giving thanks, you're giving it to an entity. They thanked God before every meal, so technically it was always Thanksgiving.

[ebacon]

So much for what the Army taught us in grade school.

Thanks to God makes more sense anyway. It must have been a good feeling when crops survived to harvest.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by ebacon

In grade school we were taught that Thanksgiving celebrated the Indians teaching the Puritans to live off the land. Apparently they didn't have grains, fowl, bread, or tubers in the old country and were waiting around for rustic job creators to show them what to do before they starved.

Now to see if that is what wiki says . . .

That's what I was taught. The Puritans were a sorry and starving lot after that first winter and then the locals (Natives) taught them how to grow corn, dropping a dead fish as fertilizer in the hole with the seed.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy

From the wiki you referenced-

"Historically, Thanksgiving had roots in religious and cultural tradition."

What has come to be known as the first Thanksgiving was probably more of a harvest festival. By the time they started calling it Thanksgiving, it was certainly a religious celebration. If you're giving thanks, you're giving it to an entity. They thanked God before every meal, so technically it was always Thanksgiving.

Still parsing up a storm, eh Was?

From the Wiki
"In the United States, the modern Thanksgiving holiday tradition is commonly, but not universally, traced to a poorly documented 1621 celebration at Plymouth in present-day Massachusetts. The 1621 Plymouth feast and thanksgiving was prompted by a good harvest."

Thanks to the local Natives for teaching them how to farm sucessfully here.
Here's another Wiki for ya, Was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksg...(United_States)

Pretty much a secular holiday from the start. Despite what you want to believe, Was.