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piece-itpete · #**121** 12-21-2009, 02:12 PM

Ah, some Democrats messed up the bill so thank goodness they can blame the right

Pete

Boreas · #**122** 12-21-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Ah, some Democrats messed up the bill so thank goodness they can blame the right

Pete

The Republican offense was far worse. They "messed up" the entire process. They refused to even participate, offering no constructive input at all. All they did was sit on the sidelines, wave handfuls of blank paper and scream "Liar", "Death Panels" or "Communist" at the top of their voices.

It all boils down to what DeMint said about "breaking" Obama over the "Waterloo" of health care reform. The Republicans care more about destroying the Obama presidency than they do about benefiting the people.

John

piece-itpete · #**123** 12-21-2009, 02:37 PM

60 votes, it doesn't matter what the Reps do. The Dems are in the drivers seat.

Until midterms

Pete

Boreas · #**124** 12-21-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by piece-itpete

60 votes, it doesn't matter what the Reps do. The Dems are in the drivers seat.

Until midterms

Pete

So, it's okay for the Republicans to turn this entire session of Congress into the most disgusting display political cynicism I've ever seen?

Allrighty then!

John

piece-itpete · #**125** 12-21-2009, 02:52 PM

Very nice try.

Pete

merrylander · #**126** 12-21-2009, 03:02 PM

DeMint? Sheesh I thought it was Demented.

MikeCh · #**127** 12-21-2009, 06:04 PM

This is the kind of stuff that needs to stop:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nel...k=MW_news_stmp

I know it's all about deal making, but come on damnit.

Charles · #**128** 12-21-2009, 06:56 PM

Well, the mid terms will tell the story.

The Donks may have overreached. According to the current polls, they have.

We can hash it out in 11 months. And we can revisit the "mandate" thing.

Chas

Boreas · #**129** 12-21-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeCh

This is the kind of stuff that needs to stop:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nel...k=MW_news_stmp

I know it's all about deal making, but come on damnit.

Now you know why the bill we're getting is such a POS. It's not the deal making. It's the politician buying. If you didn't before, now you know why Nelson and Lieberman were such huge stumbling blocks for the Dems and why even Baucus picked up on the "it'll kill Grandma" meme.

The only way any of this will change is through public funding of election campaigns. Every single elected official ends up beholden to the special interests which financed his campaign. If he expects to get re-elected he'll need to play ball with those same special interests so they'll support him again.

John

Boreas · #**130** 12-21-2009, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles

Well, the mid terms will tell the story.

The Donks may have overreached. According to the current polls, they have.

We can hash it out in 11 months. And we can revisit the "mandate" thing.

Chas

It's overreaching for some and underreaching for others. You've got folks on the right who think any bill goes too far but then you've got people on the left who believe it doesn't go far enough.

Meanwhile, the media is spinning this as if the polls reflect that Americans don't favor health care reform when at least as many people think the bill doesn't go far enough as think it goes too far. The big thing people on the left object to is being forced into buying insurance without the availability of a public option.

John