Is anything his fault?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by mezz

...there are a lot of marginally interested, naive, easily fooled, and plain stupid people in America.

They'll be voting for Romney (and losing).

[beej]

I've held off posting until now. I get it, mezz: stupid, failed leader, tanked the economy all by himself; I get it. Now I pose two questions to you:

1) What specifically was it that Obama did that was stupid, demonstrated his failed leadership and tanked the economy? Specifics please to each.

2) What specifically would you have done were you president to turn the eoconomy around in January 2009 given what was handed to you? Again, specifics please.

And make no mistake; I'm nobody's liberal.

[merrylander]

Beej you surely do not expect a sensible, honesst answer from the mouth that roared do you?

[mezz]

Who cares what I would have done in 2009. Clearly what Obama has done didn't work. Obama in fact did very little which was designed to help or stabilize the economy. Our economic troubles are still seen by him as an inconvenience. His solution is to throw some money at it in hopes it will go away so he can continue with his social agenda (which characteristically explodes the size of government and astronomically increases debt while at the same stifling economic activity by increasing taxes and handcuffing businesses in other ways like limiting pipeline production and oil drilling). Obama's level of committment to the economy is demonstrated quite effectively by his ongoing refusal to accept any responsiblity (blame it on Bush) which he thinks frees him up from having to take on the challenge of making improvements. Might have worked in 2008, but it's only going to fly with the stupid in 2012.


What matters is what is going to happen in 2012-2016.

Obama's economic plan going forward of course needs to be taken with a grain of salt because he's got a record to examine. So he can make up a script of what he's going to do to pander to the voters, but he cannot escape the fact that people who choose to open their eyes can't help but see the reality of what he's actually been doing for the last three years. If he's got a bunch of sudden improvements he's promising to implement now then why hasn't he been doing these things already.


Even if one were to foolishly give Obama the benefit of the doubt here for the sake of humor and assume a clean slate, comparing Romney's and Obama's plans show Obama's plans to be typically vague, filled with a lot of defensiveness and blame deflection, trying to turn bad economic numbers into good and even misleading about what he's actually done (for example he tries to imply that his auto bailouts helped Ford), while Romney's plans by default are going to sound like a breath of fresh air (which they are), they are also detailed and organized and while there are some instances of pointing out where Obama and Romney differ and why Romney doesn't agree with Obama's positions and how Obama has failed, but there is no petty blame game in Romney's plans.


Taxes:
http://www.barackobama.com/record/ta...ce=primary-nav
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/tax

Jobs and Growth:
http://www.mittromney.com/jobs
http://www.barackobama.com/record/ec...ce=primary-nav

Energy (this one's embarrassing for Obama):
http://www.barackobama.com/record/en...ce=primary-nav
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/energy

Spending:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/spending
(Obama doesn't address this - what can he say really. He's been an unmitigated disaster on spending... far far worse than even any of your wives - and don't tell me liberals wives don't like to spend).

Trade:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/trade
(Obama doesn't really offer up easy-to-find information on this either. I think there was a sentence about trade buried in his blurb about taxes or jobs in one of the links above. Apparently he's not too concerned with trade).

Regulation:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/regulation
(Obama's awol on this one too).

Social Security:
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/social-security
(Obama: Not a mention. Obama plans to reduce the average life expectancy by implementing mediocre and substandard healthcare universally and with less people living longer the funding requirements for SS will be reduced).

[beej]

I see. So you have no idea what you would have done only that you know that what Obama did was wrong. Lack of specificity noted. Lack of an operational response noted.

And not content to simply spew you have to attack other people's wives? Now that was an eye-opener.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by beej

I see. So you have no idea what you would have done only that you know that what Obama did was wrong. Lack of specificity noted. Lack of an operational response noted.

And not content to simply spew you have to attack other people's wives? Now that was an eye-opener.

Don't say I did not warn you.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by beej

I see. So you have no idea what you would have done only that you know that what Obama did was wrong. Lack of specificity noted. Lack of an operational response noted.

Yeah, that was pretty embarrassing for old Mezz.

He's intellectually floundering like a drowning man about to go down for the third time.

Propaganda artists always fail to understand that screaming louder doesn't make it any more true.

[d-ray657]

How's this for a lie. From Romney's tax page:

"However, the reality is that before President Obama exploded the size of the federal government, our existing tax rates were more or less adequate to pay for the government we needed."

Having increasing deficits during each of the eight years of Dub shows that our tax rates were adequate?

By the way my wife is not a big spender. If she is extravagant in anything it is in what she gives to others.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Boreas]

Heh-heh-heh!

http://bcove.me/t7ccojpc

John

[beej]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

How's this for a lie. From Romney's tax page:

"However, the reality is that before President Obama exploded the size of the federal government, our existing tax rates were more or less adequate to pay for the government we needed."

Having increasing deficits during each of the eight years of Dub shows that our tax rates were adequate?

By the way my wife is not a big spender. If she is extravagant in anything it is in what she gives to others.

Regards,

D-Ray

The Romney claim about tax rate adequacy is not only flat out wrong it is outrageously so. The Clinton tax rates were adequate clearly and Bush II blew 'em up.

My wife is also an Independent and a moderate. Her approach to spending is similar to your wife's. She rarely buys for herself.