Why?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by whell

I didn't know I was here to be helpful. I'll start typing slower so y'all can keep up.

Slowly typed idiocy is still idiocy. I've seen you post some intelligent stuff but, this time, you're way off. So knowingly off, in fact, as to be defensive about it.

When I am that way, I find it is my subconscious mind trying to fight through personal ego about something I desire not to admit: that my argument doesn't hold water.

Let me help? Your argument is tired, old, failed bullshit.

Get a better one.

[piece-itpete]

Yes, all us armchair warriors know exactly what we should've done to reshape the world after 9-11.

The worst invasion was Pearl Harbor. The Japs practically phoned Roosevelt (the anti-war guy ) and told him they were coming...

Pete

[whell]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Slowly typed idiocy is still idiocy. I've seen you post some intelligent stuff but, this time, you're way off. So knowingly off, in fact, as to be defensive about it.

When I am that way, I find it is my subconscious mind trying to fight through personal ego about something I desire not to admit: that my argument doesn't hold water.

Let me help? Your argument is tired, old, failed bullshit.

Get a better one.

Not being defensive about anything, Zeke ol' buddy, nor was I making an "argument". In fact, I was being sarcastic in my first post in this thread to match what I thought to be a rather lame initial post. So thanks for the help, and good luck with your subconscious.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Yes, all us armchair warriors know exactly what we should've done to reshape the world after 9-11.

The worst invasion was Pearl Harbor. The Japs practically phoned Roosevelt (the anti-war guy ) and told him they were coming...

Pete

Boy you just seem to sink your teeth into any sort of casual mistruths you come across. You really need to objectively read some history. I do not buy the back door theory that FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen in order to get us into World War II just as I do not believe Michael Moore's similar theory about Bush II allowing 9-11 to happen.
FDR was not posing as anti-war either...google lend-lease when you get a chance.

[piece-itpete]

I never said I believed FDR 'allowed' it to happen. I personally think that's crazy

That said the base was not even close to being on war footing, and he was the CinC.

He ran on an antiwar platform...

Pete

[beej]

And the Pacific Fleet Commander was relieved for cause because Pearl Harbor was not better prepared.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by whell

...nor was I making an "argument". In fact, I was being sarcastic...

Sarcasm is often the veiled truth of those without courage to speak plainly.

[whell]

Originally Posted by icenine

Boy you just seem to sink your teeth into any sort of casual mistruths you come across. You really need to objectively read some history. I do not buy the back door theory that FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen in order to get us into World War II just as I do not believe Michael Moore's similar theory about Bush II allowing 9-11 to happen.
FDR was not posing as anti-war either...google lend-lease when you get a chance.

Its no conspiracy theory. Its not a secret that Ambassador Grew alerted the State Department in January 1941 that he had picked up intelligence that Pearl Harbor was at risk of an attack from Japan. Problem is no one took him seriously.

In December 1941, after US cryptographers had broken Japanese code, we knew a Japanese attack might be coming, but the cryptographers were unable to discern where the attack would be. No one put the pieces together. No one put the US pacific fleet on alert.

And of course, that morning, radar operators on Oahu picking up the inbound Japanese aircraft. No one believed them either.

It wasn't a conspiracy. It was a human failure of communication, poor preparation and poor reaction of epic proportion.

[beej]

And I'm no armchair warrior, I can assure you of that. Bush's stated reason for going in was the WMD which morphed into Iraqi Freedom.

Is the world better off without Sadam? Absolutely. Did we need to go in when we did the way we did? I don't think so and neither do a lot of other professional soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and diplomats infinitely more learned than I.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Sarcasm is often the veiled truth of those without courage to speak plainly.

Yawn....