Worse Congress in History?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by bhunter

I suspect the problem resides with Harry Reid and his refusal to allow amendments to the bill. Politics by Harry as usual, but none the less they'll claim it was only the GOPs fault.

I'm not smitten by either side and would prefer their heads on pikes decorating the Reflecting Pool and an entire new group in office.

.....so they can evolve into the very same thing within a few short years, or months even.

[Oerets]

This is what happens when the parties are so polarized and unable to negotiate compromises. When one side of the isle thinks any Government is bad and the other gets tired of extending a hand in hopes of common ground only to have it slap back.

Our system of Government was set up so "Great Compromises" can and will be worked out. But that assumed adults would be working in the best interests of the Citizens not the Parties.


Barney

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

.....so they can evolve into the very same thing within a few short years, or months even.

True, but nevertheless new faces would be nice.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by Oerets

This is what happens when the parties are so polarized and unable to negotiate compromises. When one side of the isle thinks any Government is bad and the other gets tired of extending a hand in hopes of common ground only to have it slap back.

Our system of Government was set up so "Great Compromises" can and will be worked out. But that assumed adults would be working in the best interests of the Citizens not the Parties.
Barney

Traditionally, didn't the executive turn to the people to get things churning against a stuck Congress? Of course, my thought is that Obama lost that option by not leading on PPACA and getting a compromise, rather than letting Pelosi and Reid run the show.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Traditionally, didn't the executive turn to the people to get things churning against a stuck Congress? Of course, my thought is that Obama lost that option by not leading on PPACA and getting a compromise, rather than letting Pelosi and Reid run the show.

My take on this is he (Obama) was under fire being accused of all sorts of things from not being born in the US to branding him a soc....ialist at the time! So he thought staying background and letting others work would accomplish more.

You can't believe a coordinated effort by the Left was implemented?


Barney

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by Oerets

My take on this is he (Obama) was under fire being accused of all sorts of things from not being born in the US to branding him a soc....ialist at the time! So he thought staying background and letting others work would accomplish more.

You can't believe a coordinated effort by the Left was implemented?


Barney

How high were his approval ratings at the time? The only President with a higher initial rating post WWII is Kennedy at 72%. Obama's initial 69% means he had capital to use. BTW, Reagan arrived with a mere 51% approval rating, but still managed to move his agenda forth.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113968/ob...l-context.aspx

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Traditionally, didn't the executive turn to the people to get things churning against a stuck Congress? Of course, my thought is that Obama lost that option by not leading on PPACA and getting a compromise, rather than letting Pelosi and Reid run the show.

Originally Posted by Oerets

My take on this is he (Obama) was under fire being accused of all sorts of things from not being born in the US to branding him a soc....ialist at the time! So he thought staying background and letting others work would accomplish more.

You can't believe a coordinated effort by the Left was implemented?


Barney

Ah, but I would have to say that he should have worried about the personal attacks less and stayed on point with the more serious issues. To my mind, that was his biggest mistake, pretty much throughout 2009.....He let them keep him distracted with their silly BS. Sometimes, paying attention to a jackass, (Or a party of jackasses.), only encourages them. He shouldn't have let them get under his skin.

Dave

[beej]

bhunter
Traditionally, didn't the executive turn to the people to get things churning against a stuck Congress? Of course, my thought is that Obama lost that option by not leading on PPACA and getting a compromise, rather than letting Pelosi and Reid run the show.

BlueStreak
Ah, but I would have to say that he should have worried about the personal attacks less and stayed on point with the more serious issues. To my mind, that was his biggest mistake, pretty much throughout 2009.....He let them keep him distracted with their silly BS. Sometimes, paying attention to a jackass, (Or a party of jackasses.), only encourages them. He shouldn't have let them get under his skin.

I would offer that these two posts differ only in their perspective of essentially the same set of circumstances. Obama himself has acknowledged that not getting out to the American people as well and as often as he might was a shortcoming in his first four years.

From my perspective I felt that Obama should have been more active in leading the charge on PPACA.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Oerets

This is what happens when the parties are so polarized and unable to negotiate compromises. When one side of the isle thinks any Government is bad and the other gets tired of extending a hand in hopes of common ground only to have it slap back.

Our system of Government was set up so "Great Compromises" can and will be worked out. But that assumed adults would be working in the best interests of the Citizens not the Parties.


Barney

Our system of government was setup on the assumption we would elect honest fair minded men and women to office. Unfortunately they are in damn short supply these days.

[beej]

What the hell ever happened to compromise? E-friggin-gad!!!!