Well, Now That ObamaCare is legal . . .

[beej]

Any thoughts on what the financial costs to all of us would be to continue having the numbers of uninsured that we presently have? Wonder if there are any numbers on that. Of course, that doesn't take into consideration the strain placed on the health care system that having the uninsured get their primary care from emergency rooms. And in the spirit of full disclosure, I have first hand experience with the degradation of care that those who are insured suffer as a consequence of an overworked emergency room. That kind of thing can't really be placed in dollars and cents terms.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

The black lines represent actual CBO estimates from 2010.

And the red lines?

John

[piece-itpete]

Based on my experience if you go to an emergency room fall on the floor, scream in pain, or cut yourself or you'll be there for a while.

Pete

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Based on my experience if you go to an emergency room fall on the floor, scream in pain, or cut yourself or you'll be there for a while.

Pete

Yes that will indeed happen.....you have to stay in the hospital long enough to have a battery of unnecessary tests after you have fallen only because the doctors are afraid of the patient suing them after they are discharged. To be honest, this is why it takes so long. Good for us who work in hospitals

[merrylander]

They really should be called Waiting Rooms.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

And the red lines?

John

You blew them off, remember? So, my point was:

- A - the CBO discounts their own numbers, and said so in the report
- B - The revenue only covers a bit more than 1/2 of the $1 trillion cost of PPACA, so you'd better hope that either the revenue numbers gets larger, or the numbers from the savings assumptions - from programs which have yet to be implemented and are untested - grows.

Also worth mentioning, since the SCOTUS yesterday, with a 7 - 2 opinion, said that the Fed can's beat up the states to make them expand Medicare - there's likely going to be a lot more horse-trading necessary (meaning that PPACA is going to cost more. and maybe a lot more, to bring down the number of "uninsured" to meet the PPACA's stated goals) to bring the states in line.

Bottom line, if you want PPACA to work, you'd better pray that the red numbers are closer to being right than the black numbers!

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

You blew them off, remember?

Ah, so they are Teabagger numbers!

So, my point was:

- A - the CBO discounts their own numbers, and said so in the report

It occurs to me that we only have your word for the source of those 2010 numbers. The only source cited in your chart is Ways and Means. Could you verify for us that the 2010 figures are indeed CBO numbers?

- B - The revenue only covers a bit more than 1/2 of the $1 trillion cost of PPACA,

Trillion? Where does that number come from?

Bottom line, if you want PPACA to work, you'd better pray that the red numbers are closer to being right than the black numbers!

Get rid of the Bush tax cuts and the problem - if there is one - is solved.

John

[beej]

I don't think anyone realistically believes that PPACA is in its final form. Virtually everyone associated with its passage (including the President) acknowledge that it was hardly perfect. There will be adjustments and accommodations made to deal with the inevitable bumps in the road.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by beej

I don't think anyone realistically believes that PPACA is in its final form. Virtually everyone associated with its passage (including the President) acknowledge that it was hardly perfect. There will be adjustments and accommodations made to deal with the inevitable bumps in the road.

Correct.

[piece-itpete]

Plus we really won't know what it means until a coupla years of bureaucrats and judges tell us what it means.

Pete