Scotus predicitons re: Obamacare

[HatchetJack]

Yes it bothers me. It bothers me that they expect to be taken care of
rather than take any responsibility on their own and not be a burden on
someone elses coin.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

What the hell just happened here? 50 million people will be FORCED to buy
health insurance soon? And their premium amount will be determined by
their income? I smell a communist rat nest.

Yeah, and they'll have to buy the insurance from those communist insurance companies!

There's really no way to say this nicely (or, if there is, I just don't care enough to find it). You people don't know your asses from your elbows, you don't know what a communist is and you don't have the faintest notion of whats in that fucking bill.

John

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

What the hell just happened here? 50 million people will be FORCED to buy
health insurance soon? And their premium amount will be determined by
their income? I smell a communist rat nest.

Wrong, wrong and wrong again. First the mandatory coverage provisions do not come into effect until 2014 - not soon enough. Second, much of the expansion of the umbrella of medical coverage is going to occur through the expansion of the medicaid program. Third the premiums will not be set by income levels, but the extent of the subsidy available for coverage will be.

I suppose that if you consider medicaid to be a communist plot, then your definition of communist, although it does not reflect reality, would make the expansion of medicaid communist as well. Indeed it would make many means-tested assistance programs fall within the definition of communist. Means-testing is nothing new. Medicaid has always been means tested. Now instead of an absolute cut off, which would exclude people from assistance in obtaining medical care, there will be a sliding scale of assistance. Perhaps you consider medically induced bankruptcy a better idea?

Regards,

D-Ray

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Not necessarily. There are elements of the Act that enjoy broad support, such as the prohibition against denying coverage for pre-ex conditions, coverage for dependents up to age 26, etc.

There is a strong likelyhood that the funding provisions (taxes) in PPACA will also be upheld, which should make those on the left happy as clams.

Damn Whell! It looks like you got it right, except for the bearded clams thingie.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Yes it bothers me. It bothers me that they expect to be taken care of
rather than take any responsibility on their own and not be a burden on
someone elses coin.

Jack, we already take care of those who don't exercise responsibility. However, we do it in the most inefficient and costly way possible and we call it Medicaid (MediCal in California). It makes good sense to address the health care issue up front and emphasize preventative care as that will cost us much less in the long run.
It's about time we, the people, started to take responsibility for the deplorable health care system we suffer with. Our health care system is an embarrassment when compared to other industrialized countries.

People who really take responsibility seriously understand that it includes making sure others have access to basic needs like food, shelter, and health care.

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

To start with the majority insured the hospitals will not bill me extra to pay for the uninsured they are compelled to serve.

How so? With the Medicaid expansion up in the air, there's no guarantee this that there will be a rapid reduction of uninsured.

Originally Posted by merrylander

Then Florence's insurance premium should come down as the insurance companies will not be able to charge women more as they do now.

There is no provisions in PPACA that directs insurance carriers how to underwrite risks or cap premiums for individuals.

Originally Posted by merrylander

How come I know most of what is in the bill and you guys don't, need remedial reading class?

Try again!

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Yes it bothers me. It bothers me that they expect to be taken care of
rather than take any responsibility on their own and not be a burden on
someone elses coin.

I have still never met a person who wanted to be taken care of. I guess they don't live up here in the big cities.

I know people who are disenfranchised and need help and people who have had circumstance overpower them and I am fine with doing what is for the greater good and chipping in to help them out.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I have still never met a person who wanted to be taken care of. I guess they don't live up here in the big cities.

I know people who are disenfranchised and need help and people who have had circumstance overpower them and I am fine with doing what is for the greater good and chipping in to help them out.

Extremely well stated!

[icenine]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

What the hell just happened here? 50 million people will be FORCED to buy
health insurance soon? And their premium amount will be determined by
their income? I smell a communist rat nest.

What about the people who pay close to $1000 a month because they have to subsidize those without it right now? The more people who pay the less it will cost for everyone.
Only Communists left is North Korea, China and Fidel...and Fidel is not looking well lately....it is not 1959 btw.

[epifanatic]

Damn!!! Now I'm going to be able to keep my daughter insured while she's going to college rather than keep her home and employed full time. After all, she don't need no stinking elitist edumacation anyhow.

And if she ever has problems relating to the Perthes Syndrome she had as a child, the poor insurance company won't be able to tell us to feck off, man this really sucks.