It has been a good week for sexually abused children.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It's interesting how this got considerably less press than the Sandusky affair. Is it a reluctance to go after the Catholic Church?



Criminally? I don't know. In civil courts? Bank on it.

What is happening in the C Church is mild to what occurs in the Ultra Orthodox Jewish where a whole community protects molesters.

[Rex E.]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

What is happening in the C Church is mild to what occurs in the Ultra Orthodox Jewish where a whole community protects molesters.

Aren't ultra Orthodox Jews not allowed to touch women as they may be "unclean"? Don't they have to cover their wives with a sheet just to reproduce?

I remember the Orthodox Rabbi coming into the music store I used to manage. The boss, a non Orthodox Jewish woman in her 70's would always extend her hand to him and he'd always step back from her. She'd say "Honey, I'm well past all that at my age" but he'd still refuse to touch her.

She explained the "rules" to me once and I couldn't help but think how odd such customs are in today's day and age.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

What is happening in the C Church is mild to what occurs in the Ultra Orthodox Jewish where a whole community protects molesters.

I guess it's yet another example of large, powerful organizations protecting child molesters in their midst.

[Dondilion]

Following my previous post.

Hynes finally moves after being accused of being afraid of the powerful Orthodox in Brooklyn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/ny...ml?_r=1&pagewa

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by merrylander

I see the newly elevated Archbishop of Baltimore is leading a crusade to kill PPACA called Fortnight for Freedom. I think Sister Simone Campbell beat him to the punch with Nuns on a Bus.

Rob, this is a national campaign with Lori at its head. This is a really tricky one. The Catholic Church is doctrinally opposed to birth control but The Affordable Care Act will require all employes to offer reproductive care, including contraception, to their employees.

Archbishop Lori said this: "Religious freedom includes the freedom of individuals to act in accord with their faith but also the freedom of church institutions to act in according with their teachings and to serve as a buffer between the power of the state and the freedom of the individual conscience."

Interesting. Yes, the Church has a role to play in countering the excesses of the State but, as I see it, only with respect to the denial of individual rights or a requirement that individuals act in opposition to their conscience. As Lori says, individuals must be free to act in accordance with their conscience. The problem here is that the Church being able to deny coverage for reproductive care constitutes interference with that very right.

The bit about requiring the Church to "enable" individual behavior that is antithetical to its teachings is the tricky bit and I don't really have an answer. One interesting question is whether those prohibitions should apply to employees of the Church who aren't themselves believers.

The Archdiocese of Baltimore was a very progressive institution at one time, very engaged in the community and in the social justice movement. By and large, the congregation was behind them. I think Catholics in Maryland are still pretty much of the same mind collectively so I suspect most have left off attending or supporting the Church. At any rate, I hope so.

John

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

Aren't ultra Orthodox Jews not allowed to touch women as they may be "unclean"? Don't they have to cover their wives with a sheet just to reproduce?

I remember the Orthodox Rabbi coming into the music store I used to manage. The boss, a non Orthodox Jewish woman in her 70's would always extend her hand to him and he'd always step back from her. She'd say "Honey, I'm well past all that at my age" but he'd still refuse to touch her.

She explained the "rules" to me once and I couldn't help but think how odd such customs are in today's day and age.

According to religious edicts molesters should not be reported to the police, but to Rabbis who would deal with it.
Now........ if the molester is a Rabbi?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by barbara

Regarding the Sandusky situation........are they going to hold accountable the university officials who knew what Sandusky was doing but did nothing about it?

I don't know how I feel about this.

If I report to my superior that I believe I saw a colleague doing a line of cocaine in the company bathroom, but no action is ever taken, is it my fault?

If an investigation is conducted by said superior -- generating an open file -- but nothing is ever discovered to a degree of evidenced criminality, is it their fault?

It's very easy to use such a whopping conviction as "they should have known" but we need to recall what officials started with: a single guy saying "I think I may have witnessed something."

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I don't know how I feel about this.

If I report to my superior that I believe I saw a colleague doing a line of cocaine in the company bathroom, but no action is ever taken, is it my fault?

If an investigation is conducted by said superior -- generating an open file -- but nothing is ever discovered to a degree of evidenced criminality, is it their fault?

It's very easy to use such a whopping conviction as "they should have known" but we need to recall what officials started with: a single guy saying "I think I may have witnessed something."

Yep, and back to the Catholic angle where actively covering for child abusers was seemingly the formal worldwide policy of the Church for decades.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I don't know how I feel about this.

If I report to my superior that I believe I saw a colleague doing a line of cocaine in the company bathroom, but no action is ever taken, is it my fault?

If an investigation is conducted by said superior -- generating an open file -- but nothing is ever discovered to a degree of evidenced criminality, is it their fault?

It's very easy to use such a whopping conviction as "they should have known" but we need to recall what officials started with: a single guy saying "I think I may have witnessed something."

Zeke, being a mandated reporter is different than speaking up about someone doing drugs on the job.
A mandated reporter is obligated to report the abuse of children, dependent adults, and the elderly. One does not have to have 'proof', only a suspicion, then the officials investigate.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by barbara

Zeke, being a mandated reporter is different than speaking up about someone doing drugs on the job.
A mandated reporter is obligated to report the abuse of children, dependent adults, and the elderly. One does not have to have 'proof', only a suspicion, then the officials investigate.

Is a young football coach who isn't certain of what he's seen enough to do anything beyond opening a file? (In the work I have done, that implies an investigation.)

That not enough information was collected to trigger action isn't directly anyone's fault.