Scotus

[bhunter]

Scotus overturns 9th Circuit's ruling that favored unions over their constituent members 7 to 2. SEIU loses. Does anyone have an aggreagate dollar amount of all union dues collected anually in the United States?

The Supreme Court says a union must give nonmembers an immediate chance to object to unexpected fee increases that all workers are required to pay in closed-shop situations. The court on Thursday ruled for Dianne Knox and other nonmembers of the Service Employees International Union's Local 1000, who wanted to object and opt out of a $12 million special assessment the union required from its California public sector members. Knox and others said the union did not give them a legally required notice that the increase was coming. The union, and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, said the annual notice that the union gives was sufficient. The high court disagreed in a 7-2 judgment written by Justice Samuel Alito.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybens...s_against_seiu

[finnbow]

This is fine with me. I have no sympathy nor do I understand the need for public sector unions.

[BlueStreak]

Why would a "nonmember" have to "opt out" an assessment any organization requires of its "members"? How does someone who is a "nonmember" get to object to anything an organization they DO NOT belong to requires of it's members?

Ah, I see, "closed shop". So, they are basically members who wish they weren't.

People who are more than happy to accept the bargained for benefits, but just don't want to pay for the service. And, don't tell me it doesn't work that way, I've seen it, it most definitely does. I've watched people join just to file a grievence, or help win a certification election then promptly drop out as soon as they can. (Right to Work state.)

So, why don't these assholes just go get another job? Nothing is stopping them, they can quit anytime they like, and get lost.

Dave

[icenine]

Union membership is so low now...not really an issue is it? I have seen the American economy when you unions were dominant and I have seen the present. When I was a kid in Ohio it took one parent to raise a household, put a kid through college and buy that extra car. Try doing that in San Diego county today on one income, even if you are a professional.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

This is fine with me. I have no sympathy nor do I understand the need for public sector unions.

At the Federal Level there is no right to collective bargaining if I am not mistaken. Union membership is voluntary and most I believe join the union more for support against perceived wrongs, ie a negative evaluation. They will also sit with you during administrative hearings on work performance, counselings, anything that could be negative for your career.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

Union membership is so low now...not really an issue is it? I have seen the American economy when you unions were dominant and I have seen the present. When I was a kid in Ohio it took one parent to raise a household, put a kid through college and buy that extra car. Try doing that in San Diego county today on one income, even if you are a professional.

That was my fathers gneration. Try doing that ANYWHERE inside the United States, nowadays.........Good Luck with that.

And, according to the wingnuts our workers are still too "coddled" or "pampered". And this comes from people who SIT ON THEIR LAZY ASSES BEHIND A DESK and RARELY LEAVE THE A/C........

Think about it, it's the truth.

You do realize some of the members here are wasting a big chunk of their workday arguing with us here on PC, don't you? That's right, they are supposed to be working. But, instead they hang out here, telling US what WE should be doing nearly every day of the week.

I would get FIRED for that. Seriously. Out of my thousands of posts, not a single one of them has ever been written while I was at work. Not one.

And, they wonder why I don't like them............

Dave

[piece-itpete]

If we'd like to go back to 1 tv and a 13-1500 sf ranch or bungalow unless you're making minimum wage your wife would not have to work, in most cases.

We have bigger houses fancier cars and much much more 'stuff' now.

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Btw, year over year I'm up over 50%. Superman. I work on my own house and rebuilt my own car.

I have never told you what to do.

Pete

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If we'd like to go back to 1 tv and a 13-1500 sf ranch or bungalow unless you're making minimum wage your wife would not have to work, in most cases.

We have bigger houses fancier cars and much much more 'stuff' now.

Pete

Not everyone Pete...not by a long shot...

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Why would a "nonmember" have to "opt out" an assessment any organization requires of its "members"? How does someone who is a "nonmember" get to object to anything an organization they DO NOT belong to requires of it's members?

Ah, I see, "closed shop". So, they are basically members who wish they weren't.

People who are more than happy to accept the bargained for benefits, but just don't want to pay for the service. And, don't tell me it doesn't work that way, I've seen it, it most definitely does. I've watched people join just to file a grievence, or help win a certification election then promptly drop out as soon as they can. (Right to Work state.)

So, why don't these assholes just go get another job? Nothing is stopping them, they can quit anytime they like, and get lost.

Dave

Your private sector experiences with unions really don't translate into the public sector IMHO. They are completely different animals. As strongly as I support union rights in the private sector, I oppose them in the public sector. They simply have no reason for being and do more harm than good.

FWIW, a lot of private sector union households in Wisconsin seemed to feel the same way in the recent recall election.