Not a good day for economic news...

[whell]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I find you to be a bit of a conundrum Whell.

I'm a realist, noone. I wouldn't expect you to understand!

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

Training is one thing. And before we can scale up a WPA effort we'd need a ton of it.

The other thing is the poor physical shape of the work force. A generation that has been employed in sedentary and "lighter" work won't cut it. At least not right away, and not without some major physical conditioning.

You may be right - for some, desperation will be a powerful motivator. But we've also got a whole 'nuther issue with folks who've found illegal activity preferable to seeking work, whether the economy is good or bad.

And, how do you propose we accomplish any of this witout "nudging" anyone to do anything against their will, Mr. Realist?

Remember, everything must take place purely by individual choice. No governmental pressure or influence applied whatsoever, lest the "Founders" spin in their graves and the Tea Baggers take up arms...........

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

I'm a realist, noone. I wouldn't expect you to understand!

No, you're not.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Come on dude, you know damned well that the GOP no longer puts the country first and is fighting hard to tank the economy before election day.

Posting sanctimonious crap here does not change fact.

GOP noise makers yes, but in general capitalists want to make money, to get richer! I do not believe American capitalists have any great fear of O to the point where they would collectively tank the economy.

Europe has been sick for too long. This has created great caution world wide.
Hence the economic sputter.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

No, you're not.

I get a chuckle out of all these realists. Someone tagged it right, here. More like a rigid idealogue with a wide streak of delusion and not a whiff of compromise in the breeze. Realist? Yeah? riiight... sure you are in a Limbaugh and Beck carnival show. Illegal voters, bullshit. That is a miniscule number if any. If you are such a realist where are the real facts? Hmmmmm... none to be found, eh?
All I'm seeing is regurgitated bullshit from the Fox Lie Network.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

GOP noise makers yes, but in general capitalists want to make money, to get richer! I do not believe American capitalists have any great fear of O to the point where they would collectively tank the economy.

Europe has been sick for too long. This has created great caution world wide.
Hence the economic sputter.

Dave's answer stated that the GOP not capitalists would keep the economy down. This opinion refers to capitalists, business folks.

What is your opinion on the GOP, the politicians?

[finnbow]

While our economy is pretty much stagnant, it's pretty disconcerting that the GOP is making the state of the economy the mainstay of their election campaign, considering that it was their malfeasance that launched the whole mess (and to a lesser degree the mess in Europe) through their fiscal, monetary and regulatory policies from 2000-2008.

As weak as the economic recovery has been under Obama, I can't but think it would have been worse under a President McCain and may indeed get worse instead of better under a President Romney who seems inclined to reimpose Dubya's economic policies.

I tend to think that Obama has been mostly a benign influence on the recovery (with the obvious positive exception of the auto bailout) and that the GOP has not learned its lessons about the efficacy of voodoo economics.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Dave's answer stated that the GOP not capitalists would keep the economy down. This opinion refers to capitalists, business folks.

What is your opinion on the GOP, the politicians?

On second reading, I now see that I did not initially realise the distinction and must apologise to Dave.

Essentially noise makers, with a lot of hustlers. However their antagonism in certain areas has really helped.

[bobabode]

[QUOTE=Dondilion;105273]GOP noise makers yes, but in general capitalists want to make money, to get richer! I do not believe American capitalists have any great fear of O to the point where they would collectively tank the economy.
QUOTE]

Respectfully, I think you might be off the mark. The capitalist true believer's are extremely afraid of the President gaining a second term. The handwriting is on the wall. No more laissez fair regulation of these dyed in the wool buccanners come a second term. The biggest sign of their fear was pulling the Citizens United escapade. That will go down in the history books like the Teapot Dome, Tamanny and Jay Gould. It is such a bald faced power grab that I am friggin' amazed that there aren't people of all political stripes marching on the Capitol and demanding an amendment. Not to mention an impeachment of the five justices who voted it in. Malfeasance in office really isn't too strong term for Robert's actions.

The point is that they are actively dragging down the numbers while campaigning hot and heavy to bounce the President out of office. Tank is a misused word in reality. They are sitting fat and pretty and to them after all it's just paper. If they achieve buying the election you will be seeing something that has not been visited on this country since the Gilded Age. The Gilded Age was as bad as it sounds good.....Shiney it was not for the majority of citizens.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

GOP noise makers yes, but in general capitalists want to make money, to get richer! I do not believe American capitalists have any great fear of O to the point where they would collectively tank the economy.

Europe has been sick for too long. This has created great caution world wide.
Hence the economic sputter.

What do you call what they are doing as we type...."uncertainty"? They see something they don't want, they sit on the money---Right? That's crippling, or "tanking" the economy. Is it not?

Geez......