Romney Takes Credit for the Auto Bailout

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Yes, you can see the financial boon that gambling has been to the city of Detroit.

More like boon.....doggle!

I'm curious about the casinos in Detroit. Are they Indian tribe run like the ones here in California?

[wgrr]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Indeed he did. What's funny about it is that Obama took his own course with his own advisers (none of whom were Romney) and was very successful. Romney subsequently criticized him on numerous occasions about his management of the restructuring of the auto industry, but now is trying to lay claim for the credit now that it has been shown to be successful (and that success is being highlighted in campaign ads).

It's remarkably similar to his response after videotape shows up of him saying that he wouldn't go after Bin Laden during a 2007 debate. Now, he's saying he would have done exactly what Obama did.

Let's see. He would have done the auto industry restructuring just like Obama. He would have attacked Bin Laden just like Obama, and his MA healthcare plan formed the blueprint for Obamacare. Just how is it that he's claiming that he's so much more capable than Obama and that Obama's administration has been a failure? Color me confused and amused.

In the first debate between Mittens and Obama the first thing Obama should do is turn to Mitt and ask him, "Why are you running on my record?".

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I'm curious about the casinos in Detroit. Are they Indian tribe run like the ones here in California?

One has native American ownership, the other two are not.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by wgrr

In the first debate between Mittens and Obama the first thing Obama should do is turn to Mitt and ask him, "Why are you running on my record?".

I truly believe a Romney/Obama debate will be a bloodletting.

If Obama can go toe-to-toe with Hillary (a brilliant political tactician) he'll eat Romney alive.

[bobabode]

I hope that it is sponsored by the League of Women Voters instead of the commercial enriched shit that passes for debates lately.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

One has native American ownership, the other two are not.

I'm not up on how Michigan works it but the tribal casinos have certainly taken up most if not all the slack in tribal funding that used to be the taxpayers expense (deservedly so IMO, how many broken treaties does it take to see that?) But that's for another thread.

As much as gambling tends to attract the unscrupulous, I don't have a problem with casinos per se. Making it above board and taxed is far better than the other choice but then I feel the same way about grass. Take the business above ground and you take the criminal element out of it for the most part.

Legislating morality always funds the criminals who don't have any scruples or morales for that matter.

Just saw a headline about a slew of decapitated bodies in Mexico if anyone needs to look any further on that subject.

[whell]

We also have plenty of casinos that are tribal owned/operated outside Detroit, mostly in more rural or tourist areas. The Detroit casinos are a very different deal that have their own history and trajectory.

The casino issue over the years went to the city voters multiple times, since operating casinos in the city would require a change to the city charter. I guess the city kept asking and asking via the ballot box until the voters finally said yes.

The promise of the casinos - and this was how it was sold to the voters - was the nearly immediate influx of tax revenue that would offset the loss of tax revenue departed businesses and residents, and help rejuvenate the city. It has done none of the above, and the city is now subject to state financial oversight, and may still go bankrupt in the near term.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I truly believe a Romney/Obama debate will be a bloodletting.

If Obama can go toe-to-toe with Hillary (a brilliant political tactician) he'll eat Romney alive.

Hillary was not a great debater, and you over-estimate Obama's chances against Romney.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by icenine

Well those were not the easiest jobs back then either....you had to do 8-10 years on the line before you could get an easier position that was less "robotic". I am sure it is way more efficient now than then...after his time on the line my dad did stuff like pushing brooms....he ended up having some job where he rode a cart and "oiled" the assembly line. I am sure it was inefficient and bloated, but the car industry was good for the mid-west.
My older brother got on at Lorain Ford in the 70s but quit... he could not handle the line. He was more the truck driver type...that is what he ended up doing.
Even if you did not work at one of the plants those factories were the local economy, along with the steel factories.

My uncle worked for Ford in St Louis, some days he said he could work up the line all the way to where they came down from the next floor up, then either break and read the paper or help someone else, or, he'd get a tough task and end up busting ass right at the hole where they'd go down to the next.

Originally Posted by whell

Yes, you can see the financial boon that gambling has been to the city of Detroit.

More like boon.....doggle!

LOL!

Pete

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by whell

Hillary was not a great debater, and you over-estimate Obama's chances against Romney.

I'm not estimating Obama at all, I've just seen Romney "debate."

Anyone want to bet $10K?

It's just that sort of thing that will get him nuked on a truly national stage.

I guess my point is that Obama, or anyone, doesn't even have to be good as I believe marginal will eradicate Romney's standing n about ten minutes.