Romney Takes Credit for the Auto Bailout

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Never been out of the US? You mean to India, Mexico, Somolia, Canada, what? Does California count? lolDeficit spending, in wartime, yes. Keyesian policies, no.Pete

Keynes was the intellectual force that advocated deficit spending in economic downturns....
California counts about as much as Cleveland, and from what it looks like Cleveland seems to be just as wacky

[piece-itpete]

We need Keynesian help?

Pete

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

We need Keynesian help?

Pete

You are telling me the infrastructure in your area of Ohio does not need improvement...one drive around my old neighborhood was bouncier than the Blue Streak rollercoaster and not nearly as fun...the roads are so bad. When I was a kid they kept them up all the time.

Downtown Lorain is so sad looking

[piece-itpete]

No, it's much more important to get Machine supporters on the government payroll

Or perhaps a good retirement at 50 for the priviledged few.

Lorain looks pretty bad for sure. My dad lives near 57 and Elyria, been there for years now, he says the residents will not raise taxes to pay for roads.

Cleveland, well, since they threw 1/2 the Machine in jail (but promptly replaced them with the other 1/2!) seems to have bounced back a little. Dead cat? Heck we've already been the comeback city, it didn't stick around very long though.

We've replaced the manufacturing with... drum roll... gambling! lol. That'll turn us back into the powerhouse we were But at least it's cleaning up downtown a bit, putting some shine on those old glorious buildings.

Pete

[icenine]

Gambling will bring back some business and is a draw...but the jobs created are service and ususally low paying. My wife works at a casino in Riverside county as a cleaner....for less than $10 bucks an hour. At least is it is a job.

I used to go to the Elyria Midway Mall all the time Pete so I know the area where your Dad is. My dad worked at the Lorain Assembly plant for 43 years...I guess my liberal upbring has to do with the UAW being so good for me when I was a kid, although I didn't know it at the time. I was hospitalized for various surgeries and fractures via Blue Shield, curtesy of the UAW and Ford. The people in my little town had great middle class lives because of that factory just off of lake there on Route 611.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

Gambling will bring back some business and is a draw...but the jobs created are service and ususally low paying. My wife works at a casino in Riverside county as a cleaner....for less than $10 bucks an hour. At least is it is a job.

I used to go to the Elyria Midway Mall all the time Pete so I know the area where your Dad is. My dad worked at the Lorain Assembly plant for 43 years...I guess my liberal upbring has to do with the UAW being so good for me when I was a kid, although I didn't know it at the time. I was hospitalized for various surgeries and fractures via Blue Shield, curtesy of the UAW and Ford. The people in my little town had great middle class lives because of that factory just off of lake there on Route 611.

My Dad worked at Chrysler Twinsburg Metal Stamping (UAW) and Republic Steel (USW) before that. That generation stood up, protected their interests and had it WAY better than we do. And the nation was all the stronger for it. It's a damn shame how far this country has fallen. "Divided we Fall", indeed.

[icenine]

Yes Dave....and alot of those guys were people who voted for Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan as well as Democrats.....was not a "us verses you" world back then....

[piece-itpete]

I was being tongue and cheek about gambling Agreed, I think it's a zero sum.

Midway is still open. I've got nothing against the UAW, I drive domestic, and have friends that belong (less now that the Twinsburg plant is closed). It seems like a dream.

My issue is, there's nothing if the company goes under. I see now that the car mfgers are making money thay are indeed upping pay and benifits again. Maybe I should've applied, so long ago.

Pete

[icenine]

Well those were not the easiest jobs back then either....you had to do 8-10 years on the line before you could get an easier position that was less "robotic". I am sure it is way more efficient now than then...after his time on the line my dad did stuff like pushing brooms....he ended up having some job where he rode a cart and "oiled" the assembly line. I am sure it was inefficient and bloated, but the car industry was good for the mid-west.
My older brother got on at Lorain Ford in the 70s but quit... he could not handle the line. He was more the truck driver type...that is what he ended up doing.
Even if you did not work at one of the plants those factories were the local economy, along with the steel factories.

[whell]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

We've replaced the manufacturing with... drum roll... gambling! lol. That'll turn us back into the powerhouse we were But at least it's cleaning up downtown a bit, putting some shine on those old glorious buildings.

Pete

Yes, you can see the financial boon that gambling has been to the city of Detroit.

More like boon.....doggle!