Romney Takes Credit for the Auto Bailout

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

Funny though how I offered a history and fact based explanation about the proliferation of employer - based health insurance that didn't rely on either the "bullshit" of "greedy corp execs" or "white - knight" unions, and you rejected it.

No, I didn't "reject it". I shed light on and concurred with your statement that it began out of actions taken by the Roosevelt administration.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

No doubt about it.

Originally Posted by whell

By the way, I knew that sentence would bug you!

Sarcasm. Bug me? Nope. You made a statement of fact.

[whell]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

In some instances, this is not far from the mark and you know it.

Years ago, I worked for a rug importer. My manager made frequent trips abroad to factories in Europe (Belgium and Germany), China, Turkey and India. He enjoyed going to Europe and, somewhat less so, Turkey. But, he told me the trips to India and China, "....make me sick. It's disgusting to see the way they treat their own people." China being the worst as the factory, at the time, was run by the Chinese Army.

"...slaves at gunpoint..."?

There you have it.

Dave - you need to re-read Merrylander's post. Specifically:

"That does not need to be the case and is only a threat here because we allow competitive foriegn industries to operate the way they do here." (emphasis added)

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

...and the workers are dragged their and work as slaves at gun-point...

Not dragged in, it is just marginally better than picking cotton. But that is the joy of states rights. If Tenessee wants to give Toyota big tax breaks that is their "right". Just so they build their rice burners here. How such tax breaks are any different than bailouts I am damned if I see a difference.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

Dave - you need to re-read Merrylander's post. Specifically:

"That does not need to be the case and is only a threat here because we allow competitive foriegn industries to operate the way they do here." (emphasis added)

I can guarantee you that they do not operate that way back home. Florence spent a number of years in Japan teaching rising corporate men English. Let's just say that if I was to come home with a rice burner she would set fire to it in the driveway.

The then Premier's grandson was one of those corporate men. He told here one day "We may have lost the shooting war but we will bury you in theeconomic war."

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Yeah, someone paid for me to go to school alright - my dad. Through local taxes. It's OUR money, not 'the governments'.

That is my point your Dad God Bless Him paid for your education through taxes enforced by state and local governments.....he also paid for other kids who did not have dads or moms at all. Thank goodness
Pete I do not believe you have ever been hurt by big government ...speak in specifics. Paying taxes does not qualify.
I mean your going to get your Medicare and SS someday just like everyone else....unless Paul Ryan ( and the Tea Baggers) get their way. Then you can rely on your private ripoffs perhaps...and you will wish you had not voted for Ryan and Romney (if that is your intention).

Charles deficit spending is here to stay read some American and 20th Century history....it is not going anywhere. If we did not run deficits and if banks did not create money by loaning way beyond what they hold in reserves none of us would be able to own our own homes. It has to be properly regulated though.

It is sad that there is such anger about government in general....I can tell some people have never been out of the US and fail to appreciate what we have here in this nation. We have problems and big government debt that needs fixing. But destroying government is not the answer.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

Dave - you need to re-read Merrylander's post. Specifically:

"That does not need to be the case and is only a threat here because we allow competitive foriegn industries to operate the way they do here." (emphasis added)

Originally Posted by merrylander

Not dragged in, it is just marginally better than picking cotton. But that is the joy of states rights. If Tenessee wants to give Toyota big tax breaks that is their "right". Just so they build their rice burners here. How such tax breaks are any different than bailouts I am damned if I see a difference.

Originally Posted by merrylander

I can guarantee you that they do not operate that way back home. Florence spent a number of years in Japan teaching rising corporate men English. Let's just say that if I was to come home with a rice burner she would set fire to it in the driveway.

The then Premier's grandson was one of those corporate men. He told here one day "We may have lost the shooting war but we will bury you in theeconomic war."

Right. We let them get away with far too much when they come here. We coddle foreign business with fat tax breaks and protection from unions, etc., but we howl when anyone even suggests financial assistance (Bailouts, if that's what you want to call it.) to our own domestic industries.

Then we wonder why they are taking over?

Do I have that right, Rob?

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by icenine

That is my point your Dad God Bless Him paid for your education through taxes enforced by state and local governments.....he also paid for other kids who did not have dads or moms at all. Thank goodness
Pete I do not believe you have ever been hurt by big government ...speak in specifics. Paying taxes does not qualify.
I mean your going to get your Medicare and SS someday just like everyone else....unless Paul Ryan ( and the Tea Baggers) get their way. Then you can rely on your private ripoffs perhaps...and you will wish you had not voted for Ryan and Romney (if that is your intention).

Charles deficit spending is here to stay read some American and 20th Century history....it is not going anywhere. If we did not run deficits and if banks did not create money by loaning way beyond what they hold in reserves none of us would be able to own our own homes. It has to be properly regulated though.

It is sad that there is such anger about government in general....I can tell some people have never been out of the US and fail to appreciate what we have here in this nation. We have problems and big government debt that needs fixing. But destroying government is not the answer.

Good post.

[whell]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Right. We let them get away with far too much when they come here. We coddle foreign business with fat tax breaks and protection from unions, etc., but we howl when anyone even suggests financial assistance (Bailouts, if that's what you want to call it.) to our own domestic industries.

Then we wonder why they are taking over?

Do I have that right, Rob?

Dave

I thought you guys were screaming that domestic businesses got too many tax breaks. Big oil gets subsidized and you don't like that. Build an auto plant and the manufacturer gets tax assistance from the city and state and that's bad. Domestic businesses get skewered in this forum for not paying their fair share in taxes due to tax loop holes.

Can you guys please get your stories straight?

[whell]

Originally Posted by icenine

Charles deficit spending is here to stay read some American and 20th Century history....it is not going anywhere. If we did not run deficits and if banks did not create money by loaning way beyond what they hold in reserves none of us would be able to own our own homes. It has to be properly regulated though.

It is sad that there is such anger about government in general....I can tell some people have never been out of the US and fail to appreciate what we have here in this nation. We have problems and big government debt that needs fixing. But destroying government is not the answer.

What in the world? Deficit spending is good now? Really?

OK, so all those posts that blasted Bush for screwing up the economy - can we please get those removed? Cuz if this post is right, then Obama would never have had a messed up economy to fix with all his deficit spending. If this post is right, then why bother with fiscal restraint at all? And thank you God for all those banks that you guys bashed in earlier posts for kicking their own underwriting rules to the curb and loaning way beyond their reserves and thus creating all those toxic assets.

Sheesh!