Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Okay, so what makes DQ's question "stupid" unless you assumed him to be speaking of physical violence?



Ike's meaning is clear to any objective reader.

What's your brief here? Are you defending Ike or merely attacking me? In either case, you're doing a piss poor job.

John

The title is my answer to your questions, a tangential one at best. I've already said I'm not defending Ike.

Objective reader

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Show me a statistic that claims that , among students who sought and obtained scholarships to 4-year colleges, more ended up with criminal records than degrees.

Or were you just talking about black kids? Okay, show me those stats.

John

Average graduation rate, after six years, for anyone is just sub 60%. Less for males, less for minorities: now you're at about forty.

Any bet that graduates of Normandy are less? But let's grant 40%, at best, discounting things like being unprepared for private-level college instruction, displacement, culture shock, etc.

What do you think the percentage of black males aged 18-24 in suburban St. Louis with any sort of criminal record is?

Since Crime and Delinquency just published that ~50% of black males are arrested by age 23? And one would believe that inner city St. Louis is likely a higher mark than the national average?

It is far more likely that, of the eleven scholarships, there'll be more criminals than college graduates.

EASY BEANS.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Average graduation rate, after six years, for anyone is just sub 60%. Less for males, less for minorities: now you're at about forty.

Any bet that graduates of Normandy are less? But let's grant 40%, at best, discounting things like being unprepared for private-level college instruction, displacement, culture shock, etc.

What do you think the percentage of black males aged 18-24 in suburban St. Louis with any sort of criminal record is?

Since Crime and Delinquency just published that ~50% of black males are arrested by age 23? And one would believe that inner city St. Louis is likely a higher mark than the national average?

It is far more likely that, of the eleven scholarships, there'll be more criminals than college graduates.

EASY BEANS.

Easy beans for someone with a particular set if prejudices perhaps.

And it was just for black kids, wasn't it?.

We're talking about a discrete subset of individuals here, those who seek and obtain a full scholarship to college and then matriculate. These aren't my criteria. They're yours since it was that particular group you singled out in your post.

Your statistics for black male drop-out rates are for the black student population generally, not those on scholarship. Also, the statistic covers drop-outs for any reason, including financial. This would be a major component in the drop-out rate for poor kids of any race or ethnicity but it's a much less significant metric when considering students on full scholarships.

Even worse, your statistics for black arrests (not convictions, by the way) are for the black population as a whole, not for black college students and certainly not for those on scholarship. Do you honestly maintain that college students, especially those on scholarships, are just as prone to arrest as kids on the street, kids who see no way out of the box their in other than crime? Don't you think that your 50% statistic way skews more toward the street kid than the student?

Your statistics mean absolutely nothing with regard to the discussion at hand, Zeke, and the fact that you think they do says some awfully negative things about you.

John

[Zeke]

Beyond being right?

General stats are generally correct.

You have six years to produce a graduate...

[sheltiedave]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Beyond being right?

General stats are generally correct.

You have six years to produce a graduate...

But Zeke, that means you are wrong about the whole michael brown situation. You said it was done and over, and now you have indicated it will be six years down the line. Meanwhile, we are also working with four other national faith congregations to bring more scholarships to the table.

If you would, please keep going in a similar vein. You are turning out to be one of our best fundraisers, in a perverse fashion.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Beyond being right?

General stats are generally correct.

You have six years to produce a graduate...

You're not right. You're wrong.

You can't take statistics for a general population and apply them to a distinct subset of that population.

Another thing you can't do is take a statistic for the entire black male population (arrests) and apply it to a small group containing both males and females.

Like you, your analysis is fucked in the head but you can't see it through the fog of your own hatred.

Get help.

John

[Zeke]

Desperate attempts to pretend that stats aren't interrelated? I've seen better tries to discredit.

As for Michael Brown? This has nothing to do with that appropriate shooting: this is white guilt.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Desperate attempts to pretend that stats aren't interrelated? I've seen better tries to discredit.

As for Michael Brown? This has nothing to do with that appropriate shooting: this is white guilt.

Like I said, fucked in the head.

John

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Like I said, fucked in the head.

John

Yes.

You appear to be...

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Desperate attempts to pretend that stats aren't interrelated? I've seen better tries to discredit.

As for Michael Brown? This has nothing to do with that appropriate shooting: this is white guilt.

White guilt, among other things, is fuel for many of our too hot issues.