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09-14-2014, 07:41 AM
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Tell me about this kind of stupidity. The day I went to the naturalization ceremony I was carrying a briefcase. The guards did not even ask me to open it. They practically patted down my wife simply because she is of Spanish decent. So I got the asshole's badge number and wrote to my Senator.. He got his ass handed to him on a plate.
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09-15-2014, 10:01 AM
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The RICO statutes allow for this shit....right? First of all, law enforcement has gotten away with these seizures where RICO applications are a stretch, at best. And I don't understand how they get away with grabbing somebody's assets allegedly accumulated by illegal activity when they don't yet have a conviction for that activity. Has the SCOTUS ever ruled in this?
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09-15-2014, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Ike Bana
The RICO statutes allow for this shit....right? First of all, law enforcement has gotten away with these seizures where RICO applications are a stretch, at best. And I don't understand how they get away with grabbing somebody's assets allegedly accumulated by illegal activity when they don't yet have a conviction for that activity. Has the SCOTUS ever ruled in this?
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If you are an illegal in this country, what rights do you have?
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09-15-2014, 12:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeamOn
If you are an illegal in this country, what rights do you have?
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Every right codified in our Constitution as being unalienable?
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09-15-2014, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeke
Every right codified in our Constitution as being unalienable?
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Hell the war on drugs has already denied even citizens the protections of the 4th and 6th amendments, never mind non documented aliens.
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09-16-2014, 12:19 PM
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Every right codified in our Constitution as being unalienable?
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Well, per se, that's no rights. The word 'unalienable' isn't in the Constitution. It's in the Declaration of Independence, which I argue has 'constitutional status,' but that's sort of different, so let that go for now....
Happily, the Bill of Rights language generally refers to 'the people' or 'persons,' inclusive words that extends protections even to illegal aliens while they are in US jurisdiction.
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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09-16-2014, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by donquixote99
Well, per se, that's no rights. The word 'unalienable' isn't in the Constitution. It's in the Declaration of Independence, which I argue has 'constitutional status,' but that's sort of different, so let that go for now....
Happily, the Bill of Rights language generally refers to 'the people' or 'persons,' inclusive words that extends protections even to illegal aliens while they are in US jurisdiction.
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Thanks for the clarification DQ.
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09-16-2014, 01:19 PM
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Thanks for the clarification DQ.
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And support of my initial glibness.
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