The Affordable Care Act

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And here we have radio talkshow gasbag bullshit in spades. Do you need a list of EU countries (plus Canada) who have government sponsored single payer health care and who are spending half (or less than half) of the percentage of GDP that this country spends, and has been spending for decades before the ACA? Do I have to stuff this up your nose every time we get to this point in the discussion?

And...we've been paying twice as much for shit 35th to 40th ranking in life expectancy and infant mortality outcomes.

Are ya repeatedly being deliberately obtuse? Or are you just an ignoramus?

No. I'm laughing at your pre-programmed, talking point responses that just bounce from one side of the left-wingnut echo chamber to the other. And since you're starting to veer toward ad-homs, I'll assume that you've nothing productive or useful left to say.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

No. I'm laughing at your pre-programmed, talking point responses that just bounce from one side of the left-wingnut echo chamber to the other. And since you're starting to veer toward ad-homs, I'll assume that you've nothing productive or useful left to say.

Sorry, Whell, but he's demonstrably right and you're demonstrably wrong. Take a look at healthcare cost growth in the past 3 years compared to the years preceding the passage of Obamacare.



"All told, health care costs have been growing more slowly over the last three years than any other time period since 1965."

So much for unabated cost growth in healthcare.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Sorry, Whell, but he's demonstrably right and you're demonstrably wrong. Take a look at healthcare cost growth in the past 3 years compared to the years preceding the passage of Obamacare.



"All told, health care costs have been growing more slowly over the last three years than any other time period since 1965."

So much for unabated cost growth in healthcare.

Yup, no doubt that the last two years have seen some abatement in the rise of health spending DUE TO THE RECESSION.

"National health care spending continues to grow at historically low rates this year -- but it will rise faster over the next decade as the economy recovers, the population ages and President Barack Obama's health care reform law adds millions to the the health insurance rolls, according to a federal audit released Wednesday."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3948568.html

Wow. A US gov't study suggesting that Obamacare putting more folks on insurance coverage will fuel increases in health care costs. What a shocker, huh?

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Originally Posted by whell

Yup, no doubt that the last two years have seen some abatement in the rise of health spending DUE TO THE RECESSION.

"National health care spending continues to grow at historically low rates this year -- but it will rise faster over the next decade as the economy recovers, the population ages and President Barack Obama's health care reform law adds millions to the the health insurance rolls, according to a federal audit released Wednesday."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3948568.html

Wow. A US gov't study suggesting that Obamacare putting more folks on insurance coverage will fuel increases in health care costs. What a shocker, huh?

The graphs I put up show costs per enrollee. Your cited article says that more will be spent on health care as more people enroll. Well no shit, Sherlock.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The graphs I put up show costs per enrollee. Your cited article says that more will be spent on health care as more people enroll. Well no shit, Sherlock.

Oh.....

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Originally Posted by finnbow

The graphs I put up show costs per enrollee. Your cited article says that more will be spent on health care as more people enroll. Well no shit, Sherlock.

Yes, sir. Its called the law of supply and demand. As the demand for something rises, unless the supply for that good or service rises as well, then the cost of that item increases. So unless Obama starts pooping out physicians, the cost of care will rise. Couple that with an anticipated shortage of physicians, and things may get pretty interesting.

https://www.aamc.org/download/153160...sidency_tr.pdf

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Originally Posted by whell

Yes, sir. Its called the law of supply and demand. As the demand for something rises, unless the supply for that good or service rises as well, then the cost of that item increases. So unless Obama starts pooping out physicians, the cost of care will rise. Couple that with an anticipated shortage of physicians, and things may get pretty interesting.

https://www.aamc.org/download/153160...sidency_tr.pdf

And exactly WTF is wrong with minting more doctors to serve more needy patients? It's not as though there are a limited number of people who have the intelligence to become doctors. Hell, we're overproducing lawyers. If prospective law students see no job future, maybe they'll major in medicine. By your logic, we should training the exact same number of buggy-whip makers as we did in 1880 (i.e., the number of professionals in a field should remain stagnant and not adjust itself due to market forces).

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Originally Posted by finnbow

And exactly WTF is wrong with minting more doctors to serve more needy patients? It's not as though there are a limited number of people who have the intelligence to become doctors. Hell, we're overproducing lawyers. If prospective law students see no job future, maybe they'll major in medicine. By your logic, we should training the exact same number of buggy-whip makers as we did in 1880 (i.e., the number of professionals in a field should remain stagnant and not adjust itself due to market forces).

Nothing's wrong with it at all. But they're not going to fall out of the sky, are they? That's the AMA's point, and a point you'd seem to prefer to ignore. Of course, the AMA loves Obamacare, but you did notice who they blame for the physician shortage, right?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by whell

Wow. A US gov't study suggesting that Obamacare putting more folks on insurance coverage will fuel increases in health care costs.

And here we have it. The objection to the ACA and single payer. More Americans with health care coverage will make it more expensive for Whell.

That's it, eh Whell? If it's gonna cost you more money, fuck 'em...let 'em die.

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana

That's it, eh Whell? If it's gonna cost you more money, fuck 'em...let 'em die.

Yeah, that's it. Exactly. You've got me totally figured out. Wow, you're awesome, man. Can I have your autograph?