Boston Marathon Bombing

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by finnbow

In the IRA's heyday, the amassed a pretty good death toll for good Catholic boys (1,824 fatalities).

That's a good point and if we go back far enough, I'm sure we can find Christian sanctioned terrorism; however, even in the IRA case, the number is small relative to the deaths caused by Islam. Since I posted the 400 number early today that Muslims have killed since the Boston bombing another 24 deaths have occurred. The breadth of Islamic murder occurs not because of Israel or a nebulous perceived external threat, but because fundamentally Islam is violent and has been since its founding.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bhunter

That's a good point and if we go back far enough, I'm sure we can find Christian sanctioned terrorism; however, even in the IRA case, the number is small relative to the deaths caused by Islam. Since I posted the 400 number early today that Muslims have killed since the Boston bombing another 24 deaths have occurred. The breadth of Islamic murder occurs not because of Israel or a nebulous perceived external threat, but because fundamentally Islam is violent and has been since its founding.

And Christianity hasn't been? FWIW, there have been upwards of 150,000 firearms deaths in our "Christian nation" since 9-11 and well over 100,000 innocent civilian deaths in Iraq since we wrongly invaded. In the eyes of most of the rest of the world, we don't have the moral high ground to lecture about other cultures being violent, particularly when we refuse to do anything about our military adventurism and gun laws responsible for much of the mayhem.

I'm not an apologist for militant Islam, but a little perspective is in order. There are numerous Muslim nations where you infinitely safer on the streets than you are here. I'm vacationing in one this May (Turkey). I'll be going to Israel and Jordan in November and probably Morocco again next year. No worries here.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And Christianity hasn't been? FWIW, there have been upwards of 150,000 firearms deaths in our "Christian nation" since 9-11 and well over 100,000 innocent civilian deaths in Iraq since we wrongly invaded. In the eyes of most of the rest of the world, we don't have the moral high ground to lecture about other cultures being violent, particularly when we refuse to do anything about our military adventurism and gun laws responsible for much of the mayhem.

I'm not an apologist for militant Islam, but a little perspective is in order. There are numerous Muslim nations where you infinitely safer on the streets than you are here. I'm vacationing in one this May (Turkey). I'll be going to Israel and Jordan in November and probably Morocco again next year. No worries here.

Excellent post.

Dave

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And Christianity hasn't been? FWIW, there have been upwards of 150,000 firearms deaths in our "Christian nation" since 9-11 and well over 100,000 innocent civilian deaths in Iraq since we wrongly invaded. In the eyes of most of the rest of the world, we don't have the moral high ground to lecture about other cultures being violent, particularly when we refuse to do anything about our military adventurism and gun laws responsible for much of the mayhem.

I'm not an apologist for militant Islam, but a little perspective is in order. There are numerous Muslim nations where you infinitely safer on the streets than you are here. I'm vacationing in one this May (Turkey). I'll be going to Israel and Jordan in November and probably Morocco again next year. No worries here.

Having the Shrub and his cronies characterizing his bullshit war on terror as a crusade certainly didn't help matters. Muslims have a well founded fear of that term going back to when christian crusaders were boiling muslim kids on the walls of Jerusalem, several centuries ago.

[bobabode]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...urce-says?lite

Here's another source for ya, JB. Maybe this one will be more palatable than the Washington Post. You really should stop drinkin' that Jimson weed tea, it's got strychnine and arsenic in it.

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by bobabode

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...urce-says?lite

Here's another source for ya, JB. Maybe this one will be more palatable than the Washington Post. You really should stop drinkin' that Jimson weed tea, it's got strychnine and arsenic in it.

Nope sorry didn't help. But thanks for trying

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Nope sorry didn't help. But thanks for trying

Well, where do you get your news? The uhmerican rifleman?

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by bobabode

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...urce-says?lite

Here's another source for ya, JB. Maybe this one will be more palatable than the Washington Post. You really should stop drinkin' that Jimson weed tea, it's got strychnine and arsenic in it.

One caould have predicted that the press would say it was George Bush's fault, but I thought the dust would settle a bit before they'd make such an inference.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bhunter

One caould have predicted that the press would say it was George Bush's fault, but I thought the dust would settle a bit before they'd make such an inference.

Who said anything about the bombings being Bush's fault? I believe that all the armchair quarterbacking and enemy combatant bullshit from the GOP is intended to lessen the public's appreciation for the outstanding job done by law enforcement (Federal, state and local) in Boston (and by extension the Obama administration (deserved or not). The GOP is seeing its (undeserved) reputation of being the party of national security being frittered away by Obama's relatively competent management of national security (when compared to Bush, anyway).

[icenine]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Who said anything about the bombings being Bush's fault? I believe that all the armchair quarterbacking and enemy combatant bullshit from the GOP is intended to lessen the public's appreciation for the outstanding job done by law enforcement (Federal, state and local) in Boston (and by extension the Obama administration (deserved or not). The GOP is seeing its (undeserved) reputation of being the party of national security being frittered away by Obama's relatively competent management of national security (when compared to Bush, anyway).

You are completely correct about Iraq Finnbow.....I see in some recent posts some weird claims that Muslims are killing each other more than other "groups". That sort of post just reveals fear of the "other" rather than a rational examination of the facts.

The Republicans want small government but at the same time complain about supposed lapses in national security on Obama's side. Plus their sequester will not help national security at all. Well Republicans if you want stronger security let us pay for it instead of trying to shut down the Federal Government.

I am starting to think this kid was just as much a mastermind as his dead brother. And he was probably using religion as an excuse to kill people with a bomb. He is indeed evil, but that is no reason to paint all Muslims with a broad brush and stereotype them as more evil than everyone else.