GOP reaction to Obama's immigration policy

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Dubya was supposed to be humble in foreign policy and compassionate in domestic affairs. Similarly, Obama was supposed to close Gitmo, prosecute terrorist in Federal courts, etc. How'd that work out?

An important difference here is that Obama tried to keep those promises and Bush never even gave them a thought.

John

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

An important difference here is that Obama tried to keep those promises and Bush never even gave them a thought.

John

Quite true, but they both illustrate that campaign promises do not portend results.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Boreas

An important difference here is that Obama tried to keep those promises and Bush never even gave them a thought.

John

Talk about an uphill row to hoe. Whew! Congress has simply stymied every chance of Obama's policy changes getting cleared, funded or what have you thru their partisan little fingers. Over and over the howls of false equivalence are bandied about as proof that the Prez is a duplicitous, scheming son of a bitch. It's not only outrageous to lay the blame at Obama's door it really leaves me despairing of seeing anything meaningful to discuss here.
For sure campaign promises are to be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Compromise always results in less than what you wanted or expected but to equate Obama's record with any other President ignores the faithless and destructive efforts being used by the GOP. There has never been a congress who has stooped so low, never in our history.
Filibuster, filibuster , filibuster is their mantra. Except when they hold the budget hostage and threaten to shut down the government. Look where that got us. A downgrade in our reputation in the bond market? Does anyone remember that one? Man, I'm so tired of trying to defend the Prez against these wacked out accusations. Look to congress for your bogeymen 'cause that's where they reside , not at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Talk about an uphill row to hoe. Whew! Congress has simply stymied every chance of Obama's policy changes getting cleared, funded or what have you thru their partisan little fingers. Over and over the howls of false equivalence are bandied about as proof that the Prez is a duplicitous, scheming son of a bitch. It's not only outrageous to lay the blame at Obama's door it really leaves me despairing of seeing anything meaningful to discuss here....

While I understand your frustration/anger, the GOP is doing it because they can. And why can they? Because the Dem's are so friggin' incompetent when it comes to messaging to the masses. They have ceded the messaging war almost completely to the GOP.

If the House GOP members didn't have support in their home districts (derived in part from their successful messaging), they would be incapable of these antics.

[HatchetJack]

Wait a minute, how old are these "children" ?

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by HatchetJack

Wait a minute, how old are these "children" ?

It's not as much how old they are now, but how old they were when they were brought here.

Regards,

D-Ray

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

It's not as much how old they are now, but how old they were when they were brought here.

Regards,

D-Ray

Right. I think what I heard on the radio this morning (NPR) is that they must have been under 16 when they were brought here and can't be over 30. Can anyone corroborate that?

Dave

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Right. I think what I heard on the radio this morning (NPR) is that they must have been under 16 when they were brought here and can't be over 30. Can anyone corroborate that?

Dave

That is what I heard. Started over in VA where a girl graduating high school was to be deported back to Guatemal. Her mother brought her her when she was 4 and she can barely speak Spanish. Someone stepped in and granted a stay, so I guess now she has two years deferrment. Maybe she can get on with her plans to become a nurse.

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Talk about an uphill row to hoe. Whew! Congress has simply stymied every chance of Obama's policy changes getting cleared, funded or what have you thru their partisan little fingers. Over and over the howls of false equivalence are bandied about as proof that the Prez is a duplicitous, scheming son of a bitch. It's not only outrageous to lay the blame at Obama's door it really leaves me despairing of seeing anything meaningful to discuss here.
For sure campaign promises are to be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Compromise always results in less than what you wanted or expected but to equate Obama's record with any other President ignores the faithless and destructive efforts being used by the GOP. There has never been a congress who has stooped so low, never in our history.
Filibuster, filibuster , filibuster is their mantra. Except when they hold the budget hostage and threaten to shut down the government. Look where that got us. A downgrade in our reputation in the bond market? Does anyone remember that one? Man, I'm so tired of trying to defend the Prez against these wacked out accusations. Look to congress for your bogeymen 'cause that's where they reside , not at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

A cloture and a filibuster are distinct but yet I've notice clotures being used as a measure of filibusters.

In the 2007–08 session of Congress, there were 112 cloture votes[23] and some have used this number to argue an increase in the number of filibusters occurring in recent times. However, the Senate leadership has increasingly utilized cloture as a routine tool to manage the flow of business, even in the absence of any apparent filibuster. For these reasons, the presence or absence of cloture attempts cannot be taken as a reliable guide to the presence or absence of a filibuster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibus..._States_Senate

Here's a couple of graphs of the fillibuster over recent Congresses. Aside from the record 110th, I don't see much difference between the parties.




http://heathenrepublican.blogspot.co...libusters.html

The numbers from an alternate source: