Obama's "Mission Accomplished"

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by barbara

Pete, as you must know, in many areas, it is impossible to do a complete 360 the day a new person walks into office.
And, as you also probably know, many who voted for Obama are frustrated that he didnt execute a complete 360 turn around the minute he walked into office.

I understand Barbara, but it's what he said he'd do! One of the real reasons I have a more than political dislike for the man.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

And one of the first things G. W. Bush said upon entering the Whitehouse was that he hoped to have a peaceful and uneventful presidency........

Stuff happens, promises don't work out and even the POTUS finds himself compelled to do things differently than he had planned. This doen't make him a liar, it makes him human. What would you rather have, pragmatism, or rigid dogmatism?

(If you want to see an outright liar and flip-flopper in action, remove the rose colored glases and take an objective look at Romney.)

Dave

[barbara]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I understand Barbara, but it's what he said he'd do! One of the real reasons I have a more than political dislike for the man.

Pete

Pete, during his campaign, Obama was very clear about the fact that it would take time to implement his strategies to turn things around. He made it very clear it couldn't happen overnight. Unfortunately, in our culture of instant gratification, people are unreasonably impatient

[piece-itpete]

I seem to remember Gitmo as the worst evil on the planet... and killing civillians, tsk tsk tsk.

He knew he was overpromising (ask Hillary), and didn't care, now when the chickens come home to roost it's just the way it is.

His slogan should have been, Hope for Change?

Pete

[mezz]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

No, he has not, "....left the war on terror on autopilot....". It has been taken into a covert hunt and assasinate mode as it should have been done in the first place. This is how we got bin-Laden and what has other al-Quaeda leaders in hiding and on the run. Massive military action against a cell terror structure is a massive waste of time, resources and last but certainly not least---Human lives. Swatting at a swarm of bees--with a baseball bat. It NEVER made any sense. You will swing until you are exhausted and there will still be bees to sting you. That is the whole point of utilizing a "cell" strategy.

While I don't disagree entirely I do believe that it has been a progression. Bush destroyed the hive and now it is in a 'hunt and assassinate mode'. This was going to occur anyway and Obama has virtually done nothing for which he can legitimately take credit to advance these operations. The infrastructure, the intelligence, the dirty work of invading these countries was all undertaken by Obama's predecessor. Can anyone really imagine Obama ever having the stuff to take any decisive action of this nature.

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

My only gripe with Obama is that he hasn't shut down "occupation" operations in Iraq and Afghanistan quickly enough.

"Obama does not embrace a leadership role for the US in the world. Read his book." Niether do I. I want my country to CEASE trying to run the entire world.

Here we go with the "spreading Democracy around the world" nonsense as the Repulican Party actively tears Democracy down here in the states, claiming, "We are not a democracy, we are a representative republic!". Attacking any citizen activist groups it disapproves of and disuading individual participation in the electoral process while bolstering corporate and plutocratic influence over it.

Can't have it both ways, my friend.

Come on now, neither can you. Obama has been clearly paying opposition to all of the above lip service while pursuing exactly the opposite agenda all the while.

I also don't believe that requiring proof of citizenship to vote is designed to "disuading individual participation in the electoral process", but is being pursued partly because it is well understood that the typical liberal's ethical compass does not preclude the condoning fraudulent voting practices. Playing fair is considered a sucker's game to them.

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I say we stay concentrated on protecting our own borders, shorelines and shipping lanes while strengthening Democracy at home. We must get our own house in order first, or we will destroy ourselves trying to control everyone else.

You could say my approach to international affairs is more conservative than that of most modern day conservatives.

Dave

I'd say your approach is more isolationist. The world has shrunk considerably since the last time this position held predominance over US foreign policy (pre-wwII). One thing 9/11 taught us is that the oceans alone cannot protect us. We need to remain intricately involved in forein affairs. Obama's foreign policy has been a bumbling mess, easily the worst (and most non-existent) in my lifetime.

[BlueStreak]

And you honestly believe all conservatives always play fair?

I can't wait to see your face when you finally realize what a GIANT lie that is.

[painter]

Political parties and presidents of such will come and go. My concern is based on the continuation of the Constitution our country was founded upon. Now more specific...H. R. 347 was signed by Obama. And probably agreed upon by most.

As far as the secret service....ummmm...I won't go there.
http://rt.com/usa/news/trespass-bill-obama-secret-227/

[mezz]

Originally Posted by barbara

Pete, during his campaign, Obama was very clear about the fact that it would take time to implement his strategies to turn things around. He made it very clear it couldn't happen overnight. Unfortunately, in our culture of instant gratification, people are unreasonably impatient

What is that, an eight year night in Obama speak?

Why continue trying to defend the indefensible. Obama has clearly put absolutely zero effort into following through on the vast majority of all the promises which made us his big 'hope' campaign. Where he has made any efforts he has almost always moved in the other direction. He knows his base well though and he's been playing them for fools all along.

Obama's been all about blaming someone else for his failures and trying to take credit for someone else's work whenever the opportunity arises. He's easily the weakest leader we've had in my lifetime (and that includes Nixon and carter). The real hope is hope that he'll be voted out of office as soon as possible so we can restore some integrity to the office of POTUS.

[mezz]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

And you honestly believe all conservatives always play fair?

I can't wait to see your face when you finally realize what a GIANT lie that is.

No, politicians of any stripe certainly don`t always play fair, but I`d say that 100% of the contenders this time around for the presidency lie considerably less than Obama and team.

[d-ray657]

And Mitt is your idea of integrity?

Gordon Gekko for President.

Painter, I will agree, that bill is one of the biggest disappointments in his presidency. I think the best challenge to it is that it is void for vagueness. Laws implicating interference with First Amendment rights must be very precise about the conduct that is prohibited. From what I have seen of the bill, it is lacking in precision.

Regards,

D-Ray