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05-16-2023, 08:52 AM
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You don't seem to understand that chasing ratings without regard to the veracity of what is presented damages journalistic ethics. Just look at the Fox/Dominion scandal. Their $3/4 billion settlement resulted from chasing ratings by deliberately presenting false information.
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You don't seem to understand that two are not mutually exclusive - ratings and good journalism/content - and never have been. Newspapers can't profitably exist without the ability to charge sufficient fees for advertising. We've seen the fallout from this as newspapers previously struggled to maintain profit margins in the age of cable news.
CNN has faced competition from a variety of sources. When it started out, CNN was really one of a kind on cable. CNN's problem became a failure to attract and maintain ratings share in the face of competition from a variety of sources, Fox among them.
CNN made a choice - it was going to counter Fox and present news from a competing (leaning to the left) perspective. They've continued to hemorrhage audiences and were second fiddle to other news networks long before the 2020 election or even the 2016 election.
During this fall, CNN had no problem repeating various false claims, among others the Russia Collusion narrative, and the Sandmann case. So, while CNN has been hemorrhaging ratings, they've been alienating audiences with
false and malicious reporting as well as putting a lousy product on ont the air.
In the end, it is about ratings. Ratings = profitability which allows the news outlet to exist. if that news outlet alienates customers, as both Fox and CNN have done, with bad reporting or bad product, then they'll pay a ratings price for it.
For what it's worth, CNN just came in behind Newsmax in the ratings. Not good news at all for Licht and company.
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05-16-2023, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by whell
You don't seem to understand that two are not mutually exclusive - ratings and good journalism/content - and never have been. Newspapers can't profitably exist without the ability to charge sufficient fees for advertising. We've seen the fallout from this as newspapers previously struggled to maintain profit margins in the age of cable news.
CNN has faced competition from a variety of sources. When it started out, CNN was really one of a kind on cable. CNN's problem became a failure to attract and maintain ratings share in the face of competition from a variety of sources, Fox among them.
CNN made a choice - it was going to counter Fox and present news from a competing (leaning to the left) perspective. They've continued to hemorrhage audiences and were second fiddle to other news networks long before the 2020 election or even the 2016 election.
During this fall, CNN had no problem repeating various false claims, among others the Russia Collusion narrative, and the Sandmann case. So, while CNN has been hemorrhaging ratings, they've been alienating audiences with
false and malicious reporting as well as putting a lousy product on ont the air.
In the end, it is about ratings. Ratings = profitability which allows the news outlet to exist. if that news outlet alienates customers, as both Fox and CNN have done, with bad reporting or bad product, then they'll pay a ratings price for it.
For what it's worth, CNN just came in behind Newsmax in the ratings. Not good news at all for Licht and company.
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Personally, I'd be OK with the entire cable news industry going belly up as I rarely watch it and believe it does more harm than good. That said, as bad as it is, CNN (and MSNBC) are in no way comparable to Fox News (other than all of them are nominally cable news channels). CNN and MSNBC may exhibit political bias as they report the news whereas Fox makes no attempt to actually present news. It's strictly agitprop - talk radio with pictures whose only objective is to agitate and mobilize the rubes (it seems to have worked with you, BTW).
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05-16-2023, 09:14 AM
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"For what it's worth, CNN just came in behind Newsmax in the ratings. Not good news at all for Licht and company."
Maybe that will wipe the smirk off his face.
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05-16-2023, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by whell
The fact that an executive of cable news programming wants favorable ratings is a surprise to you?
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The only surprise is that Licht is such a noxious asshole as to use the destruction of our democratic republic as the means to accumulate ratings that would multiply his wealth.
I am not surprised at all that a traitorous imbecile like you has no problem with it. Allowing this "town hall" has CNN behaving in the same manner that has already cost FUXNEWS threequarters of a billion dollars in damages to Dominion. CNN has put forth propaganda that they knew good and goddamn well in advance would be lies.
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05-16-2023, 10:47 AM
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Licht should stop fooling around with Trump and re-hire Carlson and Dobbs.
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05-16-2023, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike Bana
The only surprise is that Licht is such a noxious asshole as to use the destruction of our democratic republic as the means to accumulate ratings that would multiply his wealth.
I am not surprised at all that a traitorous imbecile like you has no problem with it. Allowing this "town hall" has CNN behaving in the same manner that has already cost FUXNEWS threequarters of a billion dollars in damages to Dominion. CNN has put forth propaganda that they knew good and goddamn well in advance would be lies.
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So, you are thinking that people like you are not strong enough to listen to Trump ?
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05-16-2023, 04:40 PM
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So, Are thinking that people like you, not HAVING a strong enough stomach to listen to Trump ?
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Fixed it for you.....
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05-16-2023, 06:42 PM
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So, you are thinking that people like you are not strong enough to listen to Trump ?
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He said the same shit hes been saying since November 2020. We've heard it all, a hundred times. I dont need to waste my precious time hearing it again
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05-16-2023, 10:12 PM
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So, you are thinking that people like you are not strong enough to listen to Trump ?
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Why would any intelligent person 'listen' to Trump. He is obnoxious and garbles his words while making absolutely no sense.
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“But then the – then the virus came in and the world is a different place but we’re now getting back and one of the reasons the market’s doing so – it’s almost at the point that it was at prior to the plague – almost.”
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Census where everyone is counted to the best of their ability:
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“China has 1.4 billion people, we have 325 – probably 325 million approximately – nobody can give the exact count, we’re trying to get an exact count but you have, over the years, many illegals who have come into the country, so it depends on how you want to count it.”
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President Biden:
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“Joe Biden’s entire career has been a gift to the Chinese Communist Party and to the calamity of – of errors that they’ve made – they’ve made so many errors and it’s been devastating for the American worker.”
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Note: Unemployment is at a 50 year low.
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“So Biden was here for 47 years – eight years – the last eight years, not long ago as vice president, he said one in five miles of our highways are still in poor condition.”
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“We would have had thousands of people additionally die if we let people come in from heavily infected China, but we stopped it.”
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There are 3.4 millon cases of coronavirus in the US – by far the most of any nation.
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“But if we did – think of this, if we didn’t do testing – instead of testing over 40 million people, if we did half the testing we’d have half the cases. If we did another – you cut that in half, we’d have yet again half of that.”
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And he refers to himself as a Genius.
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“And [Hunter Biden] was unemployed as you know, he was unfortunately forced to leave the military – he was forced to leave. Didn’t have a job and all of a sudden he’s making a fortune.”
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I know very little about Hunter Biden but this stuck out for me.
Education: Yale Law School (1996), Georgetown University (1992), Archmere Academy, Yale University
With an education like that, how could anyone be unemployed other than by choice?
Tillerson said it first, what a fucking moron and you want people here to listen to Trump?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/polit...ech/index.html
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05-17-2023, 02:31 PM
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So, you are thinking that people like you are not strong enough to listen to Trump ?
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Hiya' Z
(who chased him out of his spot under the bridge?)
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