Its Official: Clinton Campaign Tied to Russian "Dossier"

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Originally Posted by whell

It was a plea DEAL, meaning that George P only agreed to it in return for something that Mueller wanted. I think it also may be significant - but we're not sure how - that the plea DEAL was only announced yesterday, but occurred much earlier this month.

I read three related articles yesterday morning and it appears the bought testimony puts Trump in a meeting with a number of people where Papadopolis talked about his Russian connections and how they could help the campaign. Not good, but a lot more will be needed to put this before the House.

The plea deal was announced when it could have the greatest impact.

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The real spin, of course, is from the WH. The press conference yesterday, distancing this corrupt administration from the crimes. The Orange buffoon’s tweets yesterday and this morning.

This is just the first salvo from Mueller. Much more to come. Trump and his crime family should be afraid... very afraid. They know exactly how corrupt they are.

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Trump's not corrupt. Just ask him. And his opinion is all that matters. Just ask him.

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Originally Posted by whell

Here's a great example of how the George P plea deal is being spun:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/o...ndictment.html

Third, a paragraph in the plea agreement indicates that Mr. Papadopoulos pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 and the plea was sealed so that he could act as a “proactive cooperator.” The meaning of that phrase is unclear. But one nerve-racking possible implication is that Mr. Papadopoulos has recently worn a wire in conversations with other former campaign officials. This will surely have members of Mr. Trump’s inner circle agonizing about the possibility and wondering who else might have been similarly cooperating with the investigation.

Maybe. But any one of a number of different scenarios that have nothing to do with the Trump campaign could also be just as true. That doesn't stop this gasbag NYT contributor, a lefty law prof and former Clinton appointed US Attorney, from painting that speculation as fact:

While Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates are much bigger fish than Mr. Papadopoulos, his case may the more portentous one. He clearly has a wealth of information on the campaign and Mr. Trump’s inner circle. And much more important, he is already providing it.


But I'm sure that this'll give you chills and goosebumps when you read it.

So, an opinion piece opines that a "proactive collaborator" may have possibly worn a wire and that this possibility, along with Pop's other knowledge, has the Trump White House concerned is what your hanging your hat on in terms of media bias and fake news? Even your Dear Leader is already tweeting this morning that Pop is a liar. Does this show that he is unconcerned about what Pop's cooperation portends?

Wake the hell up, Whell.

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Originally Posted by nailer

I read three related articles yesterday morning and it appears the bought testimony puts Trump in a meeting with a number of people where Papadopolis talked about his Russian connections and how they could help the campaign. Not good, but a lot more will be needed to put this before the House.

The plea deal was announced when it could have the greatest impact.

If correct, and we don't know that for certain, sounds like George P was burnishing his credentials for providing opposition research. He was reportedly looking to build a Christopher Steele-like "dossier" on Clinton, possibly using the same or similar "Russian contacts" that Steele has used.

Whether that's "not good" or not? Doubtful that its horrible. That's why there seems like a lot we don't know.

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Originally Posted by whell

If correct, and we don't know that for certain, sounds like George P was burnishing his credentials for providing opposition research. He was reportedly looking to build a Christopher Steele-like "dossier" on Clinton, possibly using the same or similar "Russian contacts" that Steele has used.

Whether that's "not good" or not? Doubtful that its horrible. That's why there seems like a lot we don't know.

Paying an American research firm to continue its investigations into Trump's shady history (started at the behest of the Rubio campaign), including his campaign's collusion with Russia, is itself collusion? Who knew?

As for Pop simply burnishing his credentials, why was that necessary? He was already mentioned as an excellent guy by Trump a few weeks earlier and was given a seat at the table at a national security meeting in a photo posted by the Trump campaign.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

So, an opinion piece opines that a "proactive collaborator" may have possibly worn a wire and that this possibility, along with Pop's other knowledge, has the Trump White House concerned is what your hanging your hat on in terms of media bias and fake news? Even your Dear Leader is already tweeting this morning that Pop is a liar. Does this show that he is unconcerned about what Pop's cooperation portends?

Wake the hell up, Whell.

Yes, its an OPINION PIECE, but it sounds very much like commentary here and elsewhere, so its a very good example of why I regard much of what I'm hearing as BS - including YOUR BS, as opposed to facts.

I'm fully awake, thank you, and perfectly able to discern fact from embellishment and hyperbole. I wish you could say the same.

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So you are awake, denying reality and waiting for facts? That's good and me too except for the reality part. In fact I would like to have this stretched out over the next 8-10 months and hope DT does not resign and relocate to Moscow. Look forward to our "Mueller Time", you might as well join the party too since it's free.

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Originally Posted by whell

Yes, its an OPINION PIECE, but it sounds very much like commentary here and elsewhere, so its a very good example of why I regard much of what I'm hearing as BS - including YOUR BS, as opposed to facts.

I'm fully awake, thank you, and perfectly able to discern fact from embellishment and hyperbole. I wish you could say the same.

Yet, long ago you started a "fake news" thread to discredit reports (unfavorable to your Dear Leader) that have proven to be true. Moreover, you continue to peddle Trump's diversionary fictions about Hillary and Obama.

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“The biggest story yesterday, the one that has the Dems in a dither, is Podesta running from his firm,” Mr. Trump wrote. “What he know about Crooked Dems is earth shattering. He and his brother could Drain The Swamp, which would be yet another campaign promise fulfilled. Fake News weak!”

Sounds like an illiterate moron and a feeble effort at deflection. Seriously, who knew of a Tony Podesta?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/u...T.nav=top-news