Roseburg, Oregon School Shooting - Page 18

finnbow · #**171** 10-03-2015, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Why are the lefties not all worked up over deaths from the use of cars, alcohol and cell phones? We have a far easier access to them and they cause a far greater death rate.

It seems to me that liberals are far more willing to regulate cars, cell phones and alcohol than conservatives are, not that any of these have anything whatsoever to do with mass murder.

CarlV · #**172** 10-03-2015, 08:30 AM

Obama is coming for your guns, you best go buy more guns and before the Kenyan so************************t comes to your town!

- Wayne La Pee-air

4-2-7 · #**173** 10-03-2015, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow

So, firearms training will prevent psychopathic crazies from killing people? Though I've been a gun owner for ~50 years and a NRA Hunter Safety instructor, I've never seen any evidence that firearms training prevents or cures mental illness. It may help them hit their targets, but it will do little else.

Well, if you take only half of my comment, it's out of context! I wasn't talking about mental illness, I was talking about people buying guns on the spur of the moment. A lot of it is being generated by politics and the left's efforts to step on others rights.

It effectively puts more guns in the population's hands and most likely in a not so safe storage.

BlueStreak · #**174** 10-03-2015, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow

So, firearms training will prevent psychopathic crazies from killing people? Though I've been a gun owner for ~50 years and a NRA Hunter Safety instructor, I've never seen any evidence that firearms training prevents or cures mental illness. It may help them hit their targets, but it will do little else.

Of course it won't. It would be as effective as training criminals the proper use of firearms...........

The problem has absolutely nothing to do with training. Lunatics don't accidently kill people because no one told them not to. Criminals kill despite being told it's wrong because they enjoy it and just don't care.

I'm so sick of all of these idiotic arguments. We shouldn't do ANYTHING about crazies having access to guns because people die in auto accidents?????? Why do ANYTHING about uncheck gun proliferation when a person could also get killed from a BBQ grille accident?????????

The twisted logic of these people is evidence in itself that proves they are out of their minds. And, the more adamant they become in using such nonsensical arguments, the more one questions the wisdom of attempting rational dialog with them at all.

In fact................

finnbow · #**175** 10-03-2015, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Of course it won't. It would be as effective as training criminals the proper use of firearms...........

The problem has absolutely nothing to do with training. Lunatics don't accidently kill people because no one told them not to. Criminals kill despite being told it's wrong because they enjoy it and just don't care.

I'm so sick of all of these idiotic arguments. We shouldn't do ANYTHING about crazies having access to guns because people die in auto accidents?????? Why do ANYTHING about uncheck gun proliferation when a person could also get killed from a BBQ grille accident?????????

The twisted logic of these people is evidence in itself that proves they are out of their minds. And, the more adamant they become in using such nonsensical arguments, the more one questions the wisdom of attempting rational dialog with them at all.

In fact................

No joke, and at least half the Congress-critters make equally bewildering, disingenuous arguments. At least they should have the balls to say "We wholeheartedly accept carnage our streets, rather than trying to do something about it." At least Jeb! had the balls (or stupidity) to essentially say it.

4-2-7 · #**176** 10-03-2015, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak

The ironic behavior you describe is part of the insanity of the right. They are so utterly convinced that they must have these weapons to survive, that they stock up when they feel threatened by any potential expansion of gun control.

It's called "paranoia".....a mental disorder.

BTW Dave, I don't even own any guns anymore, I got out of that hobby. But looking at the lefties on this site, your all the ones that are packing and paranoid.

CarlV · #**177** 10-03-2015, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Well, if you take only half of my comment, it's out of context! I wasn't talking about mental illness, I was talking about people buying guns on the spur of the moment. A lot of it is being generated by politics and the left's efforts to step on others rights.

It effectively puts more guns in the population's hands and most likely in a not so safe storage.

Don't you have anything to offer here other than the same old NRA talking points and spin?

Carl

donquixote99 · #**178** 10-03-2015, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Why do you feel you "Need" to Dave?

Is it because it's a wast of life?

RWAs don't care if schools get shot up. Thanks for making that clear.

donquixote99 · #**179** 10-03-2015, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mpholland

I guess you can make statistics say just about anything you want. Statistics are designed to be misleading. The only reason they exist is to try and support a biased hypothesis. Doesn't really help with solving the problem though. If murder is on the rise is the problem getting worse? If the rate is decreasing does that mean that the problem is in the midst of solution? According to the FBI murders have decreased over the last 6 years, while according to Gallup, personal firearm ownership has been on the rise. Look at the number of homicides between handguns vs rifles and I wonder why we are so up in arms over "assault" style rifles instead of handguns. Seems we really don't care about facts, unless of course they fit our mindset. Then we can defend the way we think while trying to invalidate other sources.

Murder Victims by Weapon, 2009–2013

Murder by State, Types of Weapons, 2014

Gallup gun ownership poll.

Perhaps we need 'statistics control' because people often use them poorly, and even to support crimes?

My statistics ARE facts, and you can have them when you pry them from my cold dead fingers!

Seriously, you are correct that open-mindedness is more honored in the breach than elsewise, and even people who think they are open-minded often aren't--let alone the conservatives who mock the open-mindedness of liberals. So a reminder is never amiss.

BlueStreak · #**180** 10-03-2015, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow

No joke, and at least half the Congress-critters make equally bewildering, disingenuous arguments. At least they should have the balls to say "We wholeheartedly accept carnage our streets, rather than trying to do something about it." At least Jeb! had the balls (or stupidity) to essentially say it.

Yep. Our buddy -5 did the same just a few posts back.

Such people are just fine with shot up movie theaters and elementary schools. They seem to think that the daily carnage with the bonus of an occasional massacre is the "price of freedom".........

I question whether we are actually "free" at all, living in such a society and it makes their heads explode. Once it reaches the point where I feel I must carry a loaded weapon wherever I go and maintain my home as a fortress, because they have loaded up our nation with idiots, lunatics and criminals who have free, unhindered access to firearms...............

No. I am no longer free. At that point I am a prisoner in my own land and America is no longer worth living in.