Terrorists in France Create Outrage

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by HarmanKardon

This is the argument of the stupid masses. I also do not want this. But there is actually no threat that the culture of the European Nations and societies could seriously be endangered by an islamic minorty - and they will always remain a minority, I am sure about that.

Do you live in an area close to, or within a Muslim minority?

[HarmanKardon]

The husband of the sister of my sister in law is a black Musilm from Togo. Lato Cissé really practices his religion with all that Ramadan stuff and so. He is an essential part of our family community since about 20 years and my mother loves him. He is a wonderful warm hearted friendly man and his religion never is an issue.

The next town to my hometown, which is about three miles away, is a town with about 6000 inhabitants but anyway the got such a big islamic community that they have a mosque!

A mosque in a little Black Forest town!!! No problem for this traditionally very catholic little Haslach. There is a total tolerant integration and Christians and Moslems live peacefully together!

In my hometown with also 6000 inhabitants live 400 people from 41 different nations!

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

OK then...lets get this done...

... you couldn't force them into intellectual compliance through scolding and shaming.

And if you realized that...why TF would you think that it would work with me? You're not my goddamn mother, don.

No don...you're not insane, but at some point if you don't knock this shit off with me, you're gonna have a difficult time ever convincing me that you're not a lousy parent.

Nope, know well I can't force you to do anything--except, just maybe, moderate the hate speech a little. Even that is worth doing. I can endure your bad opinion of me.

Otherwise, convinced as I am that hate has very bad effects, I criticize you as a way to make the case. What bad effects? Two main ones. First, it tempts people by making evil acts seem good and right. Then the enemy seeks revenge and the shit goes on and on and on. Second, it makes one not want peace, reject policies that could contribute to it, and even favor policies that block it. All justified by bigoted claims like "there's no reasoning with these people." [quoting you, emphasis added]

Being against hate does not mean i don't have normal human outrage against outrageous acts. As we can act against the actual perpetrators, I'm all for it. But spare me the rationalizations for declaring whole ethnic/religious groups enemies, the 'passive supporters BS' and so on. Just as I can't force you to get your mind right, you can't force them. Let them be wrong, fight who we can and when we must, but avoid poisoning ourselves and the world with yet more hate. That will just make us do more evil, and get more evil done to us.

How might things have gone with you wife in the MLK riot time, if the guys who helped her had instead been all pissed over 'passive' support of racism by the mass of white people? That's an example of how attitudes like yours can mess things up in the real world.

[bobabode]

[QUOTE=Ike Bana;255335]OK then...lets get this done...

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Nope, know well I can't force you to do anything--except, just maybe, moderate

You guys...

[donquixote99]

Harumph. Now it is I that feel mothered....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rdjVx5rKEM

[merrylander]

America used to be referred to as a 'melting pot' meaning in its best sense that while people retained much of their customs they also in a generation or two 'blended in'.

I must say that I see little of that by Muslims, in fact when someone who has been here for years converts they wrap themselves up like a cocoon. Their attitude toward woman is somewhere in the middle ages, though God knows ours is still emerging from the 19th century.

Mind you it would have been cheaper in my first marriage if I could simply have said 'I divorce thee' three times.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

This begs the question as to why Israel continues to perpetrate atrocities against the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and to continue to dispossess them by building illegal settlements. Is the "solution" Israel has found to continually and relentlessly hammer the Palestinians so that they can't raise their heads out of the dust?

Preemptive collective punishment?

Oh, and who here called the Israelis "Nazis"?

John

I must admit that I've come to expect this sort of propaganda out of Zeke...but I'm more than a little surprised and discouraged to get it from you, John.

Did I say anybody here referred to Israeli Jews as nazis? I don't think I did...although I suspect there are more than a couple that are thinking it.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Nope, know well I can't force you to do anything--except, just maybe, moderate the hate speech a little. Even that is worth doing. I can endure your bad opinion of me.

I have no problem with your objections to my speech. You can disagree with my opinions and attitudes as you wish...and we can debate it energetically all the live long day. My problem is with your attitude when you're doing it. You don't lecture, scold, and chastise me like I'm one of your children. Whenever you choose to do so...and it's a bit surprising as to how often you resort to it...you will get a similar reaction from me.

[bobabode]

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/...ry.html#page=1

French police end this sickening drama. The two brothers try to shoot their way out.

Good riddance.

[Dondilion]

Good riddance indeed!