The Failure of No Government Regulation

[CarlV]

Groove Tubes were/are making their own 6L6 tube in southern Ca. I have a quad of GT labeled Sovetek EL84 I bought a dozen years ago for my Scott 222, yep, a stout tube that really sounds great. I need to dig out that amp and power it up sometime lol. The 350 tuner too.

Carl

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by icenine

I have some 6P14s that are Russian too......and I do not feel bad buying something made in Russia like tubes.....no body makes them anymore here...it would be just very uneconomical.

What is amazing is that the people in Russia and China have figured out that there is niche market for this stuff here. People complain about the quality of Chinese tube amps but it amazing they figured out Americans and Europeans would buy them in the first place. That is the internet for you.

The Chinese are so much different from the Russians. Whilst the Russians are basically exporters of energy and raw material the Chinese are not content with copying but want to be innovators not only in relation to military goods but also to commercial ones. To this end, they have invested a lot in new institutions and have sent thousands of their country men abroad to the best institutions.

They have a learning curve but they are making good progress.

One is impressed by two things: The burgeoning middle class in such a short span of time.

The formidable infra structure work done in the third world, especialy Africa.

[CarlV]

I do have a Chinese Valve Art 2A3 that really is a firecracker, dammit.


Carl

[Bigerik]

The Chinese also have no belief in our concepts of intellectual property. They will steal whatever they can from wherever they can, and their government will support the companies, regardless of how blatant the theft is. Pretty easy to develop a company when you are working like that.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by hillbilly

I got blasted again last week in Sears. I was needing a tool and asked for COO before going to checkout and a lady shopping over heard me asking and she asked what did it matter. I told her kindly, and explained that not only did it help keep Americans in work but the working conditions in China in which people take advantage of cheap labor were not so good. She came back at me with this: '' maybe so, but if we all decided not to buy products made in China then those people making very little in poor working conditions would be out in the street with nothing ''. I honestly didn't know what to say.

It's tough. Without our custom the factory wouldn't be in Bangladesh. And no one would be going to jail either even if it was.

Many don't realize how desperately poor millions upon millions of Chinese are. Subsistence farmers really.

Originally Posted by bobabode

They sure like to lay it all at Clinton's door, tho. A-holes need a civics lesson about how legislation is crafted in Uhmerica. House>Senate>House>Senate. Only then is it sent to the President's desk. If the votes in Congress exceed the veto limit? He might as well sign it. Who needs to spend political capital on a phyrric victory?

Oh so THAT'S why Clinton signed it

Here's what he said when it passed (note multiple references to his campaigning FOR it):

http://www.sweetspeeches.com/s/1294-...gning-of-nafta

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Especially mens underwear.

Yes, some sell exclusively on the internet now. I bought a pair of steel toe boots online for work. "Carolina" brand, USA made. Nice boots, that actually fit my weird feet comfortably. (Size 10 1/2-EEEEEE) comfortably. They were $140, but my employer picked up $80 of that.

Dave

Carolina boots rock.

Pete

[piece-itpete]

Btw, how many free trade deals is Obama currently working on?

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Btw, how many free trade deals is Obama currently working on?

Pete

However many it takes to fill the coffers for the mid terms. It takes money to get the message out that the Teabaggers are nuthin' more than shills for the Kochsuckers.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It's tough. Without our custom the factory wouldn't be in Bangladesh. And no one would be going to jail either even if it was.

Many don't realize how desperately poor millions upon millions of Chinese are. Subsistence farmers really.



Oh so THAT'S why Clinton signed it

Here's what he said when it passed (note multiple references to his campaigning FOR it):

http://www.sweetspeeches.com/s/1294-...gning-of-nafta




Carolina boots rock.

Pete

No love for Redwings? I'm shocked.

[piece-itpete]

I know they're good too but never owned a pair

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I know they're good too but never owned a pair

Pete

The best $200 tool that I've ever bought. They've saved my toes on a number of occasions and I don't need to break out the sledge as often. Those Carolinas' look to be similar but they don't sell 'em out here.
Size 11 eee's here.