Al Queda takes Falluja?

[bobabode]

"A rejuvenated al-Qaeda force asserted control over the western Iraqi town of Fallujah on Friday, raising its flag over government buildings and declaring an Islamic state in one of the most crucial areas that U.S. troops fought to pacify before withdrawing from Iraq two years ago."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1

I wonder how long it will take for the wingnuttery to blame it all on Obama?

[djv8ga]

Obama caused all of this!

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

Obama caused all of this!

Ding, ding. I think it's safe to say that the situation in Iraq can all be laid at Gee Dubya's and Cheny's doorsteps. How long should we have kept combat troops in Fallujah, DJ?

[Charles]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Ding, ding. I think it's safe to say that the situation in Iraq can all be laid at Gee Dubya's and Cheny's doorsteps. How long should we have kept combat troops in Fallujah, DJ?

If we had to keep them anywhere, Iraq would have been preferable to the "Graveyard of Empires".

Personally, I don't blame Shrub or Obama. The die was cast years before them, and both had limited choices...all of which were bad.

The American population deludes themselves with the misconception that both the POTUS and the military have powers so great as to control the nature of world affairs.

That is not the case.

Chas

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Charles

If we had to keep them anywhere, Iraq would have been preferable to the "Graveyard of Empires".

Personally, I don't blame Shrub or Obama. The die was cast years before them, and both had limited choices...all of which were bad.

The American population deludes themselves with the misconception that both the POTUS and the military have powers so great as to control the nature of world affairs.

That is not the case.

Chas

No argument with the bolded except us dope smokin' hippies remember how well that worked in 'Nam.
Hopefully we will be outta that shithole soon.(Thank you, Obama)
Whoever thought we could instill democratic principles in Afghanistan or Iraq was seriously delusional. That would be Gee Dubya by my lights. YMMV. Doesn't really matter in the long run tho. I've also read some Kipling, too.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by bobabode

No argument with the bolded except us dope smokin' hippies remember how well that worked in 'Nam.
Hopefully we will be outta that shithole soon.(Thank you, Obama)
Whoever thought we could instill democratic principles in Afghanistan or Iraq was seriously delusional. That would be Gee Dubya by my lights. YMMV. Doesn't really matter in the long run tho. I've also read some Kipling, too.

Because Americans forget their history. Quick no looking in Wiki - who gave America deocracy?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Charles

The American population deludes themselves with the misconception that both the POTUS and the military have powers so great as to control the nature of world affairs.

That is not the case.

Chas

In the case of Iraq, it wasn't the American public hankering for a fight. It was Dubya, Cheney, et al. Those opposed to our intervention in Iraq were labelled anti-American. Freedom fries, anyone?

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Ding, ding. I think it's safe to say that the situation in Iraq can all be laid at Gee Dubya's and Cheny's doorsteps. How long should we have kept combat troops in Fallujah, DJ?

LOL, Under an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in 2008, U.S. troops were due to end their mission in Iraq by the end of 2011

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...GREED_TEXT.pdf

Nice try Bob...

But hey it's nice to see Al Qaeda “on the run”, “decimated”, and “on the path to defeat”

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by JBS...

LOL, Under an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in 2008, U.S. troops were due to end their mission in Iraq by the end of 2011

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...GREED_TEXT.pdf

Nice try Bob...

But hey it's nice to see Al Qaeda “on the run”, “decimated”, and “on the path to defeat”

What in the hell are you talking about Jim?
All I said was Gee Dubya and Cheney were responsible for the war in Iraq in response to DJ's wacked assertion that Iraq was all Obama's fault.
Wasn't it your candidate who said he would've kept troops there for as long as it took? Some stupid shit like 100 years, IIRC.


Not that I agree with assassination as a tool of state but it seems that every headman of Al Queda has a pretty short life expectancy, particularly under Obama's watch. There's no denying that, no matter how much tea you drink. Yep, OBL sleeps with the fishes. No doubt about that.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Ding, ding. I think it's safe to say that the situation in Iraq can all be laid at Gee Dubya's and Cheny's doorsteps. How long should we have kept combat troops in Fallujah, DJ?

How long did it take Obama to get the troops out?