The logic doesnt add up....
 

In a ABC interview yesterday President Obama explained the Brown Senate win was attributed to "Anger that goes back 8 years" so in essence the voters were so mad at George Bush that they elected Brown to office (as if it must have been an accident) a unapologetic Conservative who's views include strong Military, across the board tax cuts, who stated WaterBoarding is not torture, enemy combatives deserve no Constitutional protections, he is a Climate change skeptic and he has a firm stance against Cap and Trade and above all against Healthcare reform. .
If this sounds strangely familiar to what a hard line Rebublican would run on you would be correct. Yet for all those views that are so in tune with a former President who's party was so bad for our country that to this day still leaves a visceral anger in the population as a whole (let alone a area that is perhaps arguably one of the most Democratic in the nation) the voters decided to put this party and its candidate back in office one short year later.
I know everyone spins but this is hard to wrap your head around, afterall this anger is the soul reason he is our President to begin with, was the country so blinded by anger they voted for the wrong guy then aswell?
OK that was going a bit far perhaps but again, how can he say the public is so angry with Bush and Republicans that they sent a message about it by voting in a Republican?...., and lets not forget this wasnt a race of an incombent so its harder in this particular case to argue that point.
I think its becoming very apparent that this is a clear message that it is Obama's policy and agenda that isnt exceptable and while he is ofcourse personally popular his ideas and style are clearly not.

Repeat after me: "It's ALL Bush's Fault..." Repeat until Jan 2013. (Or, God help us, until Jan 2017...)

I fixed that for you :D

to be fair, the guy did more harm than any president in my lifetime

at least Carter was ineffective

And in mine to. But I don't agree with all who crow that he created every problem that happened during his admin and all points beyond. At the very least he will be the scapegoat of this country for the next couple of decades.

Well one columnist in the WashPost got it right about Brown's campaign. As I noted in an earlier post, he was against having the tax payers of Mass paying for healthcare for the southern states as that is where the majority of the un-insured reside. I suppose he has a point as it would tend to be the north and eastern states that would be picking up the tab for the southern states. His argument is that since Mass has covered all but 3% of their people then other states should look after their own.

This is where all this malarkey about states rights falls apart, our inability to do things as a nation. The fancy paper in my files says that I am a citizen of the United States of America (this is questionable since they are not united, never were). It does not state that I am a citizen of the State of Maryland.

All of this only srves to illustrate that the only fair way of providing healthcare on an equitable basis is Single Payer and it will happen eventually - after we have tried every conceivable alternative first.

It's those darn folks clinging to their guns & God out of fear....

Pete

I thing you misinterpreted his comment in your zeal to condemn what it was that he said. He said that the same thing that got Brown elected got him elected last year. Namely, popular discontent with the status quo. I listened to the interview and I think it was quite thoughtful and close to being spot-on.

Generally speaking I agree with this.

He's saying what he has to say. Of course it's not accurate. He's driving an agenda like every politician. Hey, that's their job.

I think what he's saying, and he's right, is that people were mad so they elected him. People are still mad and they elected Brown. The circumstances that lead to Obama being elected are the same circumstances that lead to Brown being elected. I think it's a effort to say "I haven't done enough" witout actually coming out and saying that. Because you can't show any weakness or the other side will rip you to shreads. So he's trying to just play it off- complicated issues, going to take time, but people like me and Brown are coming in to take care of things. Kind of cast himself as part of the "new wave".

I think middle american has spoken, they don't like "new waves". I am all for change. But not the partisan shit that both sides are pandering. Then again I'm far from the typical voter.

I don't think anyone here is a typical voter (with one exception).

The typical voter is manipulated by sound bites and has no clue as to facts.

You know, I actually think Grumpy *is* what is becoming the typical voter. They've kind of had it with both sides. What's becoming more rare is the partisan hack outside of the political establishment. I'll fully admit I'm a Democratic hack. I'm so morally opposed to the social agenda of the Republican party I couldn't see my way to voting for one of them on any grounds.

Though I am becoming a little less enthralled by my own party. If you think about it, that's exactly what a Joe Liberman is trying to pander to. Maybe we all got Joe wrong. He may be the smartest guy there.

Lieberman isn't dumb. He's just completely devoid of principle.

Completely.

John

Pharmaceutical Joe a panderer, say it isn't so.:rolleyes:

That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me. Now I must insult you ! :)

Interesting spin but it's BS. If people liked what he is pushing they would have elected someone to let him continue. He just had the brakes slammed on his party. If he's got any sense he'll back off and pay attention to what the majority of this country wants. It is truly amazing how they are trying to spin this.

This was definitely a message to the Democrats but it was a message from both sides. For some reason there was little in the way of exit polling for this election but what there was seemed to indicate that comparable numbers of Brown voters seemed to be dissatisfied with the lack of progress toward the Administrations goals as there were who were opposed to what they understood those goals to be. Also, with specific reference to health care the opposition was split between those who felt the Senate bill was a sell-out and those opposed to reform of any sort.

John

The problem with that is just what does the country want? We now know what some people in Mass want but AFAIK they hardly constitute the whole country. Correction we only know what they don't want. For example, many want a Single Payer plan because there really is no way of controlling the insurance companies. Then some want the status quo, some folks like being screwed. There is no single "we want" idea in the country, in fact I submit that there is no single idea in the country, but that is another thread.

The only common thread is that many, many people are pissed because there is an African American in the WhiteHouse. So they say "He did not do this", "He did not do that". seemingly forgetting that the President cannot act alone, Oh I know Cheney and the Chinese guy thought otherwise but they ignored the Constitution. In the House the Democrats do have a majority, in the Senate they did not, there were two independents and the Blue Dogs who lack the cojones to admit they are Republicans in drag. And then there was Ben Nelson, the Senate's chief hypocrit.

Dr. No and his ilk are determined to drag Obama down regardless of what it does to the country. Jobs? I am willing to bet that unemployment would be at 20% without the bailout. Will jobs come back? Not before November since most business owners are Republicans and they want Obama out so they will defer hiring until after November, using only temps until then.

They all can thank their lucky stars that they are here because in many countries they would be shot as traitors.:rolleyes:

I think there is a single "we want" A truly transparent government. Will we get? No. But we were flat out lied to. That may not be a big deal to some but where I come from it tells the story. I'm in a customer service job and meet many people everyday. The attitude here in the deep south is outrage. Not for the color of his skin but the size of his balls. You can write it off as racist but that is just an out. If the majority were racist he would not be the president. I think he is a good person but he lacks any real experience being the boss of anything.

We were talking about Obama. Why are you bringing up Bush?

I did not vote for Bush either. Move on.

Ross Perot tried to warn us all this was gonna happen:D

I didn't say you did.

I've kind of been thinking about old Ross. He was right on a lot of stuff. Nobody listened.

Ross made the mistake of telling people what needed to be done. His opponents told people what they wanted to hear. Honesty is political suicide.

I do not delude myself into thinking the average American voter can find their ass with both hands. If someone tells them there is a free lollypop for everyone that's who their voting for.

Sad really.

Or telling them that we can get out of debt by lowering taxes. And when it fails and the debt gets much, much worse, telling them that again.

X eleventy billion !!!!!

Yes, the majority did vote for him so I guess that means they're not racist but you mentioned the deep south specifically. Who did they vote for? Overwhelmingly. Racism aside, you guys did not want to see Obama become president so your "outrage" is inherently suspect.

John

Well shit, man! That's 'cuz he didn't lower 'em enough the first time!

John

I think he overestimated his role in Politics, people wanted him to clean things up not reinvent them. He made a list of promises that were quickly broken and has shown he is just another politician now combine that with a far left agenda and lack of experience has made for some real buyers remorse.
His fall from grace is astounding but not as much as his ability to live in a state of denial and at this point it is going to take some doing to prevent him from becoming a term President.

What were they?

John

Seriously you don't remember anything he promised ? No surprise. Cause we aint getting any of it.

No shit!
But ok I will clue you in, here is a list of 15 with many being of no real value but the ones that are a big deal were very big and voters have a longer memory than Obama gives credit for.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...romise-broken/

If you honestly dont know should you be so active here?

What were they?

Ugghh! How about them Saints?

[QUOTE=davidb;16933]Now Dave that is not nice....you cant pick on those with A.D.D.:D

Yeah, I know, I know, but what most of these amount to is promises that haven't been fulfilled and that little or no effort seems to have been devoted to. It's certainly possible that nothing will happen but it isn't certain so calling them broken promises amounts to the expression of an opinion, not a statement of fact.

That's why I asked the question. I knew where you were going.

John

[QUOTE=Writewing;16934]I'm the one with ADD. It's kinda cool. The give you legal amphetamines. Great for a hangover.

[QUOTE=Fast_Eddie;16940]Look a bird! :)