Another reason the right hates Obama
 

The difficulty some people have accepting a Black President has been discussed here ad nauseam. I'm not sure how much of the discussion has been based on the misperception that many folks on both the right and the left had about the actual ideology of Obama.

There was an attractiveness to Obama's rhetoric that led many on the left to believe that he was going to be a transformational leader of a new progressive agenda. I will even acknowledge that many folks probably expected him to be more liberal because he was Black. Many held onto the hope of a progressive leader even in the face of instance after instance when Obama showed that he was a pragmatic politician who would move as far to the right as his supporters could possibly stand in order to make a small political gain.

On the other hand, those on the right saw a charismatic Democrat who had the potential to convince people to pursue an agenda that was contrary to the interests of the ownership class, and to good old fashioned religious values. Even after it was clear that the ownership class fared quite well under the programs that were put in place to alleviate the recession, and that there was going to be no government takeover of the means of production, there was still a fear that Obama was a closet liberal. Once the image of him was set, partisan politics offered no reason to abandon it.

So yeah, there are reasons other than race why the right hates Obama.

Regards,

D-Ray

Well said Don.

It's because he's black.

Period.

You can let the bastards off the hook if you want to, but I won't.

I think one is always building on swamp when trying to erect rational explanations for hate.

Hate is pretty-much instinct-driven. One hates enemies, one hates what one fears, one in particular hates enemy others.

Functionally, hate is the war emotion, it's job is to motivate us to enjoy the idea of hurting enemies.

In modern times, parties are tribes, and partisans naturally hate the tribal enemy. Righties hated FDR, leftists hated Hoover, and so on ever since. Even as vanilla a fellow as Ford had people trying to kill him. Add to it a guy like Obama pressing all kinds of 'other' buttons (race and more), and you've got big hate, a sort of perfect storm of hate--among the haters. Some people are more prone to it than others.

"There was an attractiveness to Obama's rhetoric that led many on the left to believe that he was going to be a transformational leader of a new progressive agenda."

This is why I voted for Obama, because in his speeches and his rhetoric, I saw someone sort of in the vein of FDR. The rights absolute shrillness at the thought of him winning and the way he, at the time, seemed to just shrug it off reminded me of FDRs 1936 inauguration speech and spurred me on.

Well, he's not nearly as ballsy as FDR or Give'em Hell Harry nor as sharp and charismatic as JFK. He's more like Lyndon Johnson, but not quite. So..............

I had considered McCain until he let Palin in and the Clown Car Circus, complete with sideshow freaks, fired up. That was the last time I took a Republican seriously. Forget Romney. That's the guy who shows up to shut the plant down, lay everybody off and tell them it's for their own good, saying something along the lines of; "You should be thanking me. I'm freeing you up to explore different opportunities.".:rolleyes: He's a fucking snake, hiding behind the Bible.

Dave

You sound like my sister.

I think race is a factor, but there is more to it than that.

Thank you so very much. I understand completely now.:rolleyes:

Jesus Christ on a bicycle!:(

One thing about hate is everyone thinks their own is justified and reasonable.

Well, it is!;)

Good God almighty you wimpy libs give me a case of the ass.

Always trying to be fair.

Meanwhile the right sticks a knife in your back and walks all the way around to the front.

The only way to deal with the right is to never give the fuckers an inch.

The open-mindedness and reasonableness of the political left of full display. :rolleyes:

Us liberals are by nature very reasonable, open minded and fair.

And that works fine as long as we are among ourselves.

But I've learned the hard way that when dealing with the right all that will get you is taken advantage of.

Right wingers take any sign of accommodation as weakness and they move in for the kill. There is only one way to deal with the right. You gotta be hard assed.

Oh, please :rolleyes:. Some here remember the reasonableness (sic) that Repugnants displayed in full view just ten years ago. Give me a phuckin' break.

People always say just that sort of stuff about the enemies they hate. The right says it about the leftists. Jews say it about the Arabs. Arabs say it about the Jews. Etc etc etc etc etc.

And it's always true, as long as you're talking about the enemies you hate and who hate you....

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reasonableness

You were correct.

Dave

Okay, Tom. Although I don't see that I really "gave in" to anything.

Dave

Yeah, you right. I wasn't. Oh well.;)

Well then, I suspect I won't hear you bitching about the lack of bi-partisanship in Washington. You seem to be fully in favor of division and inflexibility.

Nice try but you're still full of it. :rolleyes:

You have to be shitting me.

No one in there right mind would make such a moronic statement as you have just done.

Haw it never occurred to you that not everyone on the "right" is as shallow as yourself?

Chas

I think there is still latent racism in America that was not known to be as acute until Obama was elected. I will always believe that the government shut down in 2013 and the fiasco of the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 would not have happened with a white President.

The Tea Party will disappear once there is a white President back in office...let me qualify that by saying white MALE president. Of course that might not happen for several elections.


And it kills me how the GOP hates Obama because of the ACA....
and I think one thing that no one has notices is that Obama has sort of resurrected the old Roosevelt coaliton.

You see the Tea Party GOP is lousy at building coalitons, which is great news for the good guys.

A right-wingnut the likes of you bitching about anybody else's lack of open-mindedness and reason...irony rears it's fugly, fat, zit-covered head.

It has not occured to me that Tom is particularly shallow. He does appear to be particularly pissed-off, which is not a problem for me.

But Chas...shallow? Let not those who live in glass house of American neoconservatism be throwing stones.

That said...hey there Chas, where ya been?

OK...now that dealing with the nonsense often posted here is out of the way...

For members of the right who might be intellectually curious enough (probably surprisingly so) to really examine themselves, I see it as partially, certainly not completely, a reaction to the right's clear loss of the shifting demographics of the country's electorate.

The GOP has lost 5 of the last 6 popular Presidental vote contests. I see nothing on the horizon to suggest that they can win the next one based upon the probable choices of candidates. Thoughtful conservatives must be aware of this, and of Obama's part in generating enough interest to attract even more young Americans into actually registering and voting. And the great majority of those Americans aren't buying into the narrow interests of neoconservatives in general, or the pandering to them and to teabag populists of the GOP.

It is the right's simple, unquestioning devotion to the welfare of the 1% that turns me off. Do they really believe the Koch brothers are spending all that money out of pure ideology for the sole benefit of the country? I have known a lot of poor people in my lifetime, hell I grew up in the Depression, and I cannot honestly say they were lazy and expected others to support them. The did the best they could to the limit of their abilities. In tody's job market there are so many myths for them to run up against they may have two strikes against them before they even start. I don't have a GED and I can't even count the number of times that I never made it past HR. Yet the ironic part is that when I took early retirement to have money to support my ex-wife, once the word was out that I was available the job offer and an immigration lawyer came from NoVa within two weeks, that is the reason I am down here because I could then afford to make a home for Florence and myself. That lawyer cost him $2500 for the H1B and later me $1200 when I went for my green card.

But all we ever hear from the right iis that BS about welfare queens or drug testing for welfare or voting fraud, yet rarely has an actual case been brought and won.

Thanks D for the post.

And I get to say again, I hate his white half :D

Pete

Does Obama and company's continued subsidization of the 1% turn you off as well?

Another case in point:

I'm assuming you would've been happier than a pig in sh!t had the President done nothing, eh Whellie? Just let the whole economy head into the crapper? I'm not buying it. Terrible argument Mike.

I don't think that it is part of the plan, but I do believe that Obama failed to expend any political capital to address many of the factors leading to income inequality; including legislation overcoming barriers to union organizing and resumption of a more progressive tax structure.

Regards,

D-Ray

The Right(tm), hates Obama because he represents what frightens them.

Considering that, I perceive his race as being the proverbial cherry on top but can't imagine the terrified particularly caring for him were he the whitest of breads.

Agreed but that cherry has made it abundantly clear to the nation that there is something disgusting at the heart of the GOP base and it looks like the KKK. They may not put on pointy white hats and soiled bedsheets anymore but that shit is alive and well in the Tea Drenched.

I think what frightens, angers, and stokes their hate as much as anything (besides the fact that a Kenyan anti-colonialist is the current boss), is that he represents the likelihood that they will be losing their 7th of the last 8 popular presidential votes in 2016.

They let the Teabaggers load the candidate clown car with extremists again, that'll happen and they know it.

Except in the backwater congressional clown car districts full of electorate clowns where a good old American racist religious bigot candidate clown can feel right at home.

When I'm king...no more US House and the only thing state governments will have the authority to do is arrange for parades, celebrations, and cheerleader competitions.

Obama treid bi-partisanship and got mugged - end of story, But I still don't hate the GOP they are not worth my hatred.

Odd. Saying goes that Libs that get mugged become Conservatives, Conservatives unjustly arrested become Libs.

Well PIO back home I was a member of the Joe Clark Conservative Party. When my MP died unexpectedly from cancer they must have see our correspondence and called my ex-wife to see if I would run for the seat.

If you can find a real conservative in the GOP it would verge on a miracle.:rolleyes:

Kenyan anti-colonialist...............

Why does that term pique my interest?

Dave