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Ike Bana 03-30-2021 07:43 AM

It's a little late Deborah.
 
Doctor Birx, who stood there in one press conference after another, listening to the lies spewed by Trump, has finally come out and said that the first 100,000 deaths were going to happen, but everything after that could have been avoided.

Olivia Troye Says There Should Be A Full Investigation Into Trump Admin. Covid Response

The only thing on Trump's mind was how this pandemic was a threat to his re-election and he didn't think twice about spewing lies and disinformation that he hoped would turn the political tide in his favor...at a cost of, by Birx's estimate, over 400,000 lives that could have been saved.

Thank-you Olivia Troy for making it all clear, once and for all. And any investigation should be a criminal investigation.

finnbow 03-30-2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 399349)
Doctor Birx, who stood there in one press conference after another, listening to the lies spewed by Trump, has finally come out and said that the first 100,000 deaths were going to happen, but everything after that could have been avoided...

Indeed. Though this can be be rightfully viewed as legacy-scrubbing by Birx, it is also interesting to note that Trump wants to claim full responsibility for vaccine development while at the same time not taking the vaccine publicly (he did in a secret and never spoke of it until it was revealed by the press), nor advocating for his followers to get the vaccine.

barbara 03-30-2021 09:11 AM

finnbow, If Trump encouraged his followers to get the vaccine, it would be admitting that the virus really was life threatening after he spent all that time telling them it was no big deal and they didn't have to wear masks and that it would magically disappear.

Oerets 03-30-2021 09:52 AM

Trump and his cult followers are riddled with inconsistencies of their beliefs and actions.
Except for one glaring back, that they have the answer or solution to all the problems. Just give them total power is all that is required.

As to Doctor Birx I'm inclined to give her some leeway on the job she did while in charge. She I figure was attempting to continue to work and do as good of a job possible without being fired. Knowing any replacement would be a stooge planted and way worse in the end.

donquixote99 03-30-2021 10:20 AM

It's a bit of a self-serving decision, the conviction that one must put one's head down and soldier on, (and keep taking a large salary), and you'll being doing good compared to your probable replacement. Based on the death toll, just how much good was that? Was it more good than her speaking out much earlier might have done? It's hard to know, but I'm sure the financial factor (and identity/status factor) are fairly certain to have had a good bit of influence.

Oerets 03-30-2021 12:26 PM

Plenty of others who spoke out and were sacked. Did little in any way of curtailing the former administration.

donquixote99 03-30-2021 12:37 PM

It's anything but cut-and-dried either way. But there are reports that "White House staffers" convinced Trump not to pull crazier stunts than he did, in the final days. So there's that.

finnbow 03-30-2021 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 399364)
It's anything but cut-and-dried either way. But there are reports that "White House staffers" convinced Trump not to pull crazier stunts than he did, in the final days. So there's that.

What could be crazier than committing election fraud in Georgia, propagating the Big Lie and fomenting an armed insurrection against our government?

donquixote99 03-30-2021 01:50 PM

For one thing, firing AG Rosen in favor of the rogue guy who was willing to go after the officials in Georgia on Trump's behalf. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachels...h=240116a960a5

A blow-by-blow account I saw of events in the WH this day said staff played a key role in convincing Trump that trying this would engender to much opposition.

313guy 04-02-2021 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 399365)
What could be crazier than committing election fraud in Georgia, propagating the Big Lie and fomenting an armed insurrection against our government?

I've trained myself not to ask questions like that about people like him.

Mark B 04-03-2021 04:15 PM

Birx made public statements that falsely credited Trump, and withheld critical information that should have been made public, either leaked or as a whistleblower.

The net effect of Birx and others not making this information public gave the Trump administration cover for their utterly botched response to the coronavirus.

That failure cannot be forgiven.

Oerets 04-03-2021 05:58 PM

Ahhh yes, but a liberal person practices in redemption and forgiveness.

One needs to acknowledge the transgressions thou.....

BlueStreak 04-04-2021 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 399365)
What could be crazier than committing election fraud in Georgia, propagating the Big Lie and fomenting an armed insurrection against our government?

Hiring assassins? Finding enough sycophant collaborators in the military brass to stage a real coup? Hopefully, we'll never know.

Unfortunately, all it would take is for the far right to find a new Dear Leader who isn't a bungling buffoon like Trump.

RickeyM 04-04-2021 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 399488)
Hiring assassins? Finding enough sycophant collaborators in the military brass to stage a real coup? Hopefully, we'll never know.

Unfortunately, all it would take is for the far right to find a new Dear Leader who isn't a bungling buffoon like Trump.

Unfortunately there are a number of candidates out there just circling.

Rajoo 04-04-2021 04:17 PM

I just don't see a military backed strongman taking over the US government in the near future. Too much money in private hands and I can envision private industries crippling the government. Think global economy and expect very may countries will come in to help. But it would bankrupt the country since most of the wealth will flee.

Oerets 04-04-2021 06:02 PM

There is a global rise in Authoritarianism right now. Given the increase in the information now being gathered on everyone willingly and covertly by not only governments also by private companies.
I can see the two converging in the effort to keep control, power and wealth. Given the upcoming issues with climate and over population loss of jobs due to tech. Look no further then the on going border crisis and then think X100!

Ike Bana 04-07-2021 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RickeyM (Post 399492)
Unfortunately there are a number of candidates out there just circling.

Well, it's a small comfort to know that one of them won't be that shitbag Matt Gaetz.


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