Trump Is on Point: The Covid-infected Are Fleeing Mexico…for US Hospitals
 

It's all covered in depth, right here, with LOTS of links supporting the case:

Trump Is on Point: The Covid-infected Are Fleeing Mexico…for US Hospitals

It's worth reading.

Leftist sources to support the right:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/u...el-centro.html
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/healt...rus/index.html

It makes sense...a constant drip of positive cases.


An alternative explanation why rising cases in border states is much higher than the rest of the country. I figured it was because of air conditioning blowing COVID all over everyone. Probably a combination of both.

The core problem is that these cases are being used to "prove" there is a big spike in cases AND DEATHS in the US because people are not wearing masks, etc., and then used as a reason to continue locking down and possible locking down even tighter than before.

When, in reality all that needs to be locked down is the border.

Ahaha...yeah...we can try but we'll always fail, sadly. :(

I agree. But the key point is that it's the folks crossing in that is increasing the numbers, not the activity of the people already in-country.

My wife and I are 66. We live our lives as if the virus does not exist, just like we do with the flu, the swine flu, the bird flu, ebola, etc. We're fine. When I'm in stores that require a mask (rarely am I in that situation), I just put on my free Costco mask that I cut a bunch of horizontal slits in. I can breathe like itisn't there, and then take it off once I get into the store. If anyone complains, I say I have asthma. They can't ask for details thanks to Hipaa. It is LEGALLY none of their business. :)

^^^depraved disregard for the welfare of others.

And the spike in Central Florida, and Georgia?

Anecdotally.
My daughter who is a RN and works in a large hospital in Central Florida says there are hardly any Mexicans in the spike in her area.

Nope. That's lemmingspeak.

You may come around someday, when the virus strikes home personally for you. Or you may not. For some people, identity/ideology preservation becomes more vital than the preservation of life itself. Rather few of them showed up at at Tulsa, though. The death cult is not as mighty as it's master hoped.

Georgia's death count is still flatly within the same numbers. There was no big spike like NY.

But it does speak to this: The virus is a state and local issue, not a national one. How it is affecting a particular state or community should fuel how that state or community responds to it.

And it is important to know that every response brings a cost - culturally and financially. And I hate to be morbid, but it is a compromise. e.g. we know that tens of thousands of americans will be killed on our highways every year, but we still drive. The human cost justifies the cultural benefits.

Another example is the Grand Coulee dam. Builders estimated that one worker would be killed for every million dollars spent. But we still built it. The project cost 45 million, and 40 men died in its construction. And yes, the families of those men suffered. It doesn't mean the dam should not have been built.

We also kill around 250 kids every year transporting them to and from public school, but we still do it because of the benefit to the millions that don't die.

And this virus, when death vs population stats are compared, is a non-event for me. Others think it is somewhat of an event. Still others wear a mask because of how they see the risk. And others even avoid going out at all costs. Each of us gets to make his own decision but, at the end of the day, if you are afraid of the air other people exhale, it is on you, not them, to protect yourself. Get a full face mask with replaceable canisters to ensure you are relatively safe.

But your sensibilities do not trump the sensibilities of others. Breathing is part of being a human. Nobody has the right to control someone else's breathing unless it is on their property.

Nope. It already has in my circle of friends. I also have a friend who died in an auto accident. I still drive. Life is risk. I choose to live it to the full. If you are afraid of other people's breath, by all means get yourself a REAL full face mask with replaceable canisters.

But do not presume to believe your sensibilities are correct. Watch Monk some time. The Monks of the world do not control the rest of us. They control their space. We can respect that, though we may be sad for them or laugh at them behind their backs, but we're certainly not going to adjust our lives because of their "unreasonable" fears.

And to be clear, the things Monk is afraid of really ARE things that can make you sick or even kill you, but reasonable people accept that risk every day and have for millennia.

My wife had the flu for four weeks and almost died. We still don't do flu shots (or wear those useless masks).

My brother had it for six weeks in Seattle and even ended up in ER. He had had a flu shot.

We trust in the Lord right up until this body we occupy ceases to live.

Retirement homes?

One thing I've noticed on youtube regarding nurses with anecdotal information: The ones that say they are living in a hospital nightmare and being overwhelmed with cases are left up. The ones where the nurses say they are killing people with ventilators, or they are not seeing any patients, etc., are taken down.

But at the end of the day, anecdotal is anecdotal. Just because you may know a guy that died of the plague doesn't mean we should all hunker down and check for fleas.

Funny, his cult leader now says it's "patriotic" to wear a mask. Guess he didn't get the memo.

Orange Shitstain (and his cultists) Wrongly Blame Protests, Mexico for COVID-19 Spread

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/tr...vid-19-spread/

His cultist idiots willingly believe ANYTHING this lying piece of shit says, no matter how far-fetched. Witness this very thread.

It takes an awful lot of gullibility to swallow that immigrants are the cause of rising cases and Donny's vaunted wall has cut down, in historic numbers, the numbers of immigrants coming across the border.

Nothing to see here - just the Insane one trying to waste people's time and attempt to gull the incredulous.

Consider this: there are approximately 11 million undocumented immigrants in the USA. There are 4.2 million documented cases of COVID-19 in the USA. Gives both populations scale, doesn't it?


If you want to protect yourself from people not wearing masks, use a disposable N95 mask.

Green card carrying people presenting at the border are one source of COVID-19 cases climbing in USA. They're not the only source because cases have been rising sharply pretty much everywhere in the country:
https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-...kpb/index.html

Really, the significance of these immigrants is that they're causing ICUs to fill up along the border because they're receiving cases from USA and Mexico. I provided sources evidencing that in the second post of this thread. Texas and California are on the brink of going full lockdown again because their ICUs are almost full where the rest of the states aren't even though they have similar case rates. At face value that makes Texas and California stand out as significant and abnormal...they border Mexico. New Mexico and Arizona don't have it as bad because it's mostly brutal desert where few cross.



Illegal immigration is down since the Obama administration:

...but it likely has more to do with rhetoric and working with Mexico than border walls.

I was waiting for the "Green Card" and "immigrants" blaming to show up. The article I read said "Most of the coronavirus patients crossing the border, they say, are Americans.". That's from the Left-ist source you link to.

As I said that's a stretch, even for Donny, to both blame & claim in almost the same sentence.
Nice attempt to deflect with the big colorful chart tho'.

See post #16, in which actual experts debunk your idiotic conspiracy theory. You're almost as disgusting as the Insane clown. :rolleyes:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN22V365
Visa, green card, what have you, the immigration on this topic is not illegal: they're permitted to enter the USA; however, it is creating a massive healthcare crisis on the border that isn't as severe anywhere else. As the situation deteriorates in Mexico, so too will the healthcare situation deteriorate along the border.

I don't trust "fact check" websites because they too carry a ton of omission bias. Case in point from what you quoted:
They obviously didn't talk to the correct experts because they completely missed what Reuters found quoted above. :p There are coming from Mexico but they're people that can legally enter the USA.

Once again, despite your obvious love of spouting your own uninformed opinions, they really don't matter, not one iota. Subject matter experts do matter, and they debunk your idiotic conspiratorial opinions, every time.

So, you rail against the experts. SAD! You're a pathetic clone of Rush Limblow.

Once again blaming immigrants and Mexicans but you keep posting links to articles saying otherwise. You're not good at this are you?

His friend said he argues positions he doesn't actually believe in. In such situations, going through the motions often seems good enough.

"Immigrate" isn't the appropriate word, I apologize. What I meant is that they are citizens (e.g. birthright citizenship) but they aren't permanent residents in the USA either. They're not necessarily immigrating because they don't have residence in the USA so they're technically visiting but visiting generally doesn't describe what they're doing with crossing an international border. It's complicated.

The point is still the same: COVID-19 cases in Mexico are coming to the USA for treatment filling border ICUs with cases. I don't particularly have a problem with that either because Hippocratic oath knows no borders. If someone is in need, healthcare providers have a duty to help. ...someone has to pay for it though...

My positions are amorphous unless pinned down by context and specific questions. I do delight in philosophical debate.

Let me spell it out for you - it's the absolutely critical workforce, without which you would be paying FAR more for your food. Many of whom are being taken advantage of by the very same billionaires who have so corrupted our democracy by financing the path to put an incompetent, corrupt, narcissistic sociopath in the Oval Office.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Industrial scale food production relies on cheap (and frequently undocumented) migrant labor to reduce the cost of harvesting & processing those food products.

Uh-huh.

In other words, a sealion with a galloping case of the trots?

Want incomes to rise? Cut off the access to cheap labor. The bottom sets the wages at the top. As long as there are bodies to fill empty positions, there is no competition to fill those positions so the wages stay rock bottom indefinitely.

Wage growth happened for the first time in over a decade because of Trump's crackdown on immigration. Businesses had to offer more money for what would be minimum wage jobs in order to fill those positions. Because it cost more to fill the bottom positions, people higher up the stack want a raise too because they're worth more to the company.


Another fact most people aren't aware of but the rise in immigrant labor has inversely related with teenage workforce participation. They often compete for the same jobs but teens are more likely to give up on that pursuit because it's bonus income rather than a necessity. This increasing unemployment among teens has also lead to many cultural problems we're facing today among youth.

Your philosophy on labor is irrelevant in response to my post. Curiously you ignored addressing the influence of agra-business on the labor force, such as funding politicians to ignore or support labor abuses.

You may recall the greasing of the political wheels that resulted in the special rules that the Trump administration had published under the aegis of OSHA guidelines that allowed meat packing plants to remain open in spite of the catastrophic number of cover-19 cases that existed in that industry.

Because it's a huge can of worms I don't really want to get in to. Suffice it to say, the worst offender is meat packers. Not only are the conditions they created in their facilities conducive to the spread of viruses, they price fix meat and meat products. They really need to be trust busted.

Meat packers are paid more than minimum wage (usually about $10/hr), however. The only minimum wage jobs in agriculture are the seasonal workers that harvest specific crops mostly by hand. These are jobs teens could and should be filling, not immigrants as I described in my last post.

It's either that or no meat for anyone unless you put in an order at a local meat locker months ago. It would deny access to protein for especially the poor because you need to pay hundreds of dollars up front at a meat locker. Meat locker production is also down because of COVID-19.

I think it's funny that you trust "factcheck.org".

Maybe I should start a site called "IAmAlwaysRight.info" and everyone will believe it's the source for the "truth". :)

Nothing wrong with fact checking sites. but they are biased like all other sites. And usually it is not what they say, but what they DON'T say where the devil - and bias - hides.

And sometimes it is what they say that is just plain bullchit. But that is easier to detect, so they are all very careful. More careful than Trump.

Example: Spike is caused by people coming in from Mexico, but not necessarily Mexican citizens or "illegals". But when Trump says "mexicans", which is grossly imprecice, everyone pounces on that precise wording, ignoring the fact that the new death numbers are increased by people coming across the border for treatment and to die - regardless of their nationality or legal status.

And that is the real issue. And he's right.

You're living in your fantasy world of the 1950's, filled with little 40-acre family farms. You've clearly never been to the Imperial Valley in CA. You really should educate yourself.

In sales that is called a Big Fat Claim.

Care to back it up?

I literally live on an acreage surrounded by fields, my sister is married to a family farmer, and, like healthcare, I have studied agriculture a great deal.

I firmly believe any job can be done by an American if the pay is right. Immigrants are simply willing to accept less pay than Americans because of a lower standard for quality of life.

Maybe consumer prices for agricultural products need to go up to actually reflect what these products are worth. Thing is, government has it's hands deep in the agriculture business to prevent another Great Depression.

Bolded stuff quite true. Demagoguery by Trump in this area quite racist and disgusting.